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Lexicon Devil

10-21-2005, 03:57 PM Post subject: 6-way all-in on flop - what do they have?

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This is $100 NL.

PREFLOP

nationalkato bets $4
phacue2 calls $4
HERO calls $4
masavesa calls $4
radical20 calls $4,
KonGKreL calls $4, (BUTTON)
AeternaRoma calls $3.50,
csumpi calls $3.

FLOP [7c, 9s, Kc]

AeternaRoma checks
csumpi checks
nationalkato bets $15
phacue2 calls $15
HERO calls $15
masavesa calls $15
radical20 calls $15
KonGKreL calls $15
AeternaRoma bets $92.25 and is all-in
csumpi folds
nationalkato bets $98.40 and is all-in
phacue2 calls $10 and is all-in
HERO calls $98.40
masavesa calls $84.90 and is all-in
radical20 folds
KonGKreL calls $56 and is all-in.

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DogOnMySide

10-21-2005, 04:04 PM

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Cojones.

In answer to the question "What don't theyhave?"

- Brains.

Seriously though...

KK
AcXc (or at least 2 clubs)
99
8-T
poss AA
and finally... god knows.

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Zangief

10-21-2005, 05:27 PM Post subject: Re: 6-way all-in on flop - what do they have?

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AeternaRoma bets $92.25 and is all-in <-- CR all-in - probably K9, 99, or 77.
csumpi folds
nationalkato bets $98.40 and is all-in <-- Raise preflop, bet pot, then call all-in - probably AA or AK or KK.
phacue2 calls $10 and is all-in <-- Anything with a short stack.
HERO calls $98.40 <-- If you have a set or 2 pair, I think you should have raised the flop. I'm guessing you have something like AQ clubs and are calling just based on pot odds.
masavesa calls $84.90 and is all-in <-- Should have at least a set, but probably has junk. Maybe QJ clubs?
radical20 folds
KonGKreL calls $56 and is all-in. <-- Should have at least a set, but probably has junk. Maybe QJ clubs?

Miffed22001

10-21-2005, 05:35 PM

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straight draw
flush draw
two pair
set
overpair
(no particular order)

any others?
ive seen 5 players at a 10 seater all in preflop when im sat on the sb with AA. these mad hands happen.
more gambOOl i say!
more GAMBooL!

sejje

10-22-2005, 12:05 AM

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Six guys, I say:

2 flush draws.
two sets (99, 77)
Aces
AK

In no particular order, also. I hope hero has a set or nut flush draw.

Lexicon Devil

10-22-2005, 02:22 AM

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TURN [board cards 7C,9S,KC,6D ]
RIVER [board cards 7C,9S,KC,6D,2S ]

nationalkato shows [ 7H,7S ]
phacue2 shows [ 10C,KS ]
HERO shows [ 10S,8S ]
masavesa mucks cards [ 10H,6H ]
KonGKreL mucks cards [ JC,AC ]
AeternaRoma mucks cards [ 9C,9D ]

HERO wins $562 pot
---------
Yeah, lucky turn, fortunate river. But the odds were there - barely.

Zangief

10-22-2005, 03:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexicon Devil

Yeah, lucky turn, fortunate river. But the odds were there - barely.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1294040
pokenum -h 7h 7s - tc ks - ts 8s - th 6h - jc ac - 9c 9d -- 7c 9s kc
Holdem Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 9s Kc 7c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7s 7h 35 5.26 631 94.74 0 0.00 0.053
Ks Tc 3 0.45 645 96.85 18 2.70 0.014
Ts 8s 108 16.22 540 81.08 18 2.70 0.171
Th 6h 36 5.41 612 91.89 18 2.70 0.063
Ac Jc 189 28.38 477 71.62 0 0.00 0.284
9c 9d 277 41.59 389 58.41 0 0.00 0.416

EV = 0.171 means you need to be getting almost 6-to-1 on your money.

The pot is $322 when it gets to you, which is only about 3-to-1. Even with all the calls behind and a pot of $463 (without your stack included), that's only about 4.5-to-1.

10-22-2005, 04:12 AM

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What freaking site is this?

Lexicon Devil

10-22-2005, 08:35 AM

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Quote:

EV = 0.171 means you need to be getting almost 6-to-1 on your money.

5-to-1, not 6-to-1.

Actually 4.85-to-1.

Quote:

The pot is $322 when it gets to you, which is only about 3-to-1. Even with all the calls behind and a pot of $463 (without your stack included), that's only about 4.5-to-1.

The pot is $322 when it gets to me (i'm trusting your math here).

I then put in $83.

3.87-to-1.

However, the flush draw comes in after me. If you aren't going to include that in the pot-odds calculation, you can't include that in the equity calcuation.

Take the flush draw out and my equity increases to better than 3.87-to-1. Include the flush draw and pot odds are there.

Suppose - for example, that everyone folded after me. That would put me up against the two sets and the donkey TPMK. My equity then would be 28.1%.

So better than 3-to-1.

Easy call.

renegaderob1

10-22-2005, 08:58 AM Post subject: Re: 6-way all-in on flop - what do they have?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zangief

HERO calls $98.40 <-- If you have a set or 2 pair, I think you should have raised the flop. I'm guessing you have something like AQ clubs and are calling just based on pot odds.

Shit man, you do alright on reading potential hands. This is like the 5th post I've seen you pick some1s hand spot on (or nearly spot on)... any tips?

That being said, I'm not sure if I could have pushed $98 on a straight draw when i just had the odds to call (not sure if my balls are that big yet)... nice 1 lex...

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BoondockSaint

10-23-2005, 08:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate George

What freaking site is this?

Ha ha man my thoughts exactly

Rondavu

10-24-2005, 04:44 PM

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Quote:

FLOP [7c, 9s, Kc]
masavesa calls $84.90 and is all-in
masavesa mucks cards [ 10H,6H ]

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Zangief

10-24-2005, 05:23 PM

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You're right that I messed up some of the calculations. The hand history confused me about the difference between bets and raises. Having starting stacks would help. If I have time later, I'll go back over the numbers and fix them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexicon Devil

However, the flush draw comes in after me. If you aren't going to include that in the pot-odds calculation, you can't include that in the equity calcuation.

Take the flush draw out and my equity increases to better than 3.87-to-1. Include the flush draw and pot odds are there.

Suppose - for example, that everyone folded after me. That would put me up against the two sets and the donkey TPMK. My equity then would be 28.1%.

So better than 3-to-1.

Easy call.

I agree your equity calculations and pot odds calculations both have to involve the same hands.

But without some strong reads, I think you have to assume that there will be a flush draw out against you by showdown. Either he has already gone all-in in front of you or will call behind you based on pot odds.

Zangief

10-24-2005, 06:03 PM Post subject: Re: 6-way all-in on flop - what do they have?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by renegaderob1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zangief

HERO calls $98.40 <-- If you have a set or 2 pair, I think you should have raised the flop. I'm guessing you have something like AQ clubs and are calling just based on pot odds.

Shit man, you do alright on reading potential hands. This is like the 5th post I've seen you pick some1s hand spot on (or nearly spot on)... any tips?

I think there is probably only 1 other post where I accurately picked someone's hand. It just happened to be your post, so you remember it well.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=20377

I basically just try to figure out what hands I would play in the way that the opponent is playing the hand. Unfortunately, this only works for people who play with approximately the same style as me.

I'm still working on how to read the hands of other types of players, especially really passive players and overly-aggro players.

For example, notice that "nationalkato" raised preflop in EP with 77. There's no way I would have read him for that hand without specific notes that he raises mid pairs from weird positions. There may be some sort of "player profile" for common behaviors of people who do this. In my (limited) experience, this is either a LAgg pseudo-maniac type who raises a lot of hands or just a TAgg who occasionally mixes in raises with mid pairs and suited connectors. But I'd guess that this guy is LAggy.

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