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Old 06-02-2007, 04:24 AM     Post subject: 6 similar hands, how do you play different? #1 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 is the one i played. the other 5 hands have slight alterations that change the hand value/equity, and i'd like to know how you guys would play them each. let's assume all villians are unknown. if you'd like to express how you would play differently against different types of stats then im all eyes.

1.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($140.95)
Hero ($99)
BB ($176.30)
UTG ($73.70)
UTG+1 ($81.75)
MP1 ($92)
MP2 ($26.65)
MP3 ($98.50)
CO ($143.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) J, 5, 6 (5 players)
Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3, MP2 raises to $25.65, MP3 calls $25.65, Hero raises to $98

2.

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) J, 5, 4 (5 players)
Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3, MP2 raises to $25.65, MP3 calls $25.65, Hero ....,

3.

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, T.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) J, 5, 6 (5 players)
Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3, MP2 raises to $25.65, MP3 calls $25.65, Hero ....

4.

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 7.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) A, 5, 6 (5 players)
Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3, MP2 raises to $25.65, MP3 calls $25.65, Hero ....

5.

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) J, 2, 3 (5 players)
Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3, MP2 raises to $25.65, MP3 calls $25.65, Hero ....

6.

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) J, 5, 6 (5 players)
Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3, MP2 raises to $25.65, MP3 calls $25.65, Hero ....
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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poker players are lazy l.d.o.
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1. the same, we're favored against 2p and a set, but ut oh if someone has a better fd...maybe our push gets them to fold something like KQc
2-5 I find myself wanting fold, 2 callers we're way behind a set or better draws
6. easy fold - bad odds probably 0 FE
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:33 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 i dont think folding all of the rest is correct. MP2 is short and probably stupid, MP3 has pot committed himself. could likely be 2p or set that wants the overcall. in each hand we have outs to the nuts, as well as a few more in some, and we're getting some solid implied odds. i dont like just calling, but i also dont like folding or raising. i'd really like to know what the more experienced players think.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:46 AM #5 (permalink)  
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i dont think folding all of the rest is correct. MP2 is short and probably stupid, MP3 has pot committed himself. could likely be 2p or set that wants the overcall. in each hand we have outs to the nuts, as well as a few more in some, and we're getting some solid implied odds. i dont like just calling, but i also dont like folding or raising. i'd really like to know what the more experienced players think.
I'd love to hear more input too from better players. I basically responded with what I thought in hopes of getting more replies to your thread which I think is cool, and poses some really sick spots. I feel like we're often behind overall including pot odds in these hands, but if we know there are some bad images it can be a push. I've dumped hands in these situations only to realize one player was bluffing and the other had TPGK.
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Old 06-05-2007, 11:20 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I like 1) and I instafold 5) and 6).
But I really have no clue for 2) - 4).
I think I prefer folding 2) since we will be dominated by bigger FDs often, having only 3 outs left. I havent stoved the hands and the 3handed pot with a small and a big stack makes it even more complicated.

If the hands would hit me unprepared in a session, I propably would push 3) and 4) 50% and fold the other 50%, depending on earlyer hands or reads of the MPs.

Sorry bout the blabla-reply ... really hard hands. Good post.

EDIT: wufwugy, would you mind if I "borrow" these hands for posting them in a german forum?
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Old 06-06-2007, 12:09 AM #7 (permalink)  
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EDIT: wufwugy, would you mind if I "borrow" these hands for posting them in a german forum?
go for it.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:46 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I'd prefer to have reads on how each player plays a draw. Specifically, I'd like to check my notes on each to see if I have record of them calling/betting with flush draws in similar spots. Assuming I haven't seen such:

1. I play the same. Although the possibility that we have only 6 outs makes me a bit sick.
2. I think this is close between a call and a fold. I probably lean toward the fold since it's worse than the above (possibly only 3 outs).
3. I'm absolutely shoving. I think the ace is often a good out, the T is sometimes good, and we know all of the club outs are good as well. Depending on how the table has played back at my preflop raise-when-you-limp style, I might raise this preflop (though the complete is standard at tables which call too much, since I'll be OOP).
4. I probably don't complete preflop. Postflop, drawing to 9 outs, it's just a math exercise. Getting the odds we are, I at least call here. Whether or not I reraise has as much to do with what I've seen from MP3 as with my cards.
5. Fold.
6. Fold. This is actually closer to me than 5, since I think our implied odds are better here when the 9 comes.
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