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pokerfan
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04-19-2010, 02:32 PM
Post subject: 50NL,Super standard spot sb vs bb??
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4-of-a-Kind
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all folds in sb vs bb. villian in bb is a solid regular running 13/10/3 with 5% 3 bet from bb.
Hero sb($50):  
bb($50):
Hero raises $2,bb raises to $6, hero raises to $17, bb all-in,hero calls. Do you guys prefer fold to 3 bet preflop?
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Deanglow
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When I have AQ SBvBB I tend to fold somewhere against 80% of players
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caddie444
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanglow
When I have AQ SBvBB I tend to fold somewhere against 80% of players
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I hope you don't mean open fold?
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Micro2Macro
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call or fold > 4bet against your average nit tag who certainly is 3betting a polarized range as a default (I assume most are though some will 3bet stuff like JTs here which is dumb) bvb and flatting anything playable IP.
tough to call without any reads though.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caddie444
I hope you don't mean open fold?
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lol he means fold to the 3b or fold to the shove vs 80% of players
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OhioRounder
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OOP vs this guy just fold to the 3bet. His 3bet range might include weaker hands like KQ, AJ, and AT in a BvB confrontation, but overall his range is pretty solid here imo. I'd like myself a lot more in the morning if I shipped with AK here instead, but wygd.
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pokerfan
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Whoa oh oh,being a nit is a lifestyle.
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Poker Guru
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
call or fold > 4bet against your average nit tag who certainly is 3betting a polarized range as a default (I assume most are though some will 3bet stuff like JTs here which is dumb) bvb and flatting anything playable IP.
tough to call without any reads though.
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+1, call or fold to the 3bet.
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paratrooper99
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does anyone use a min raise on the 3 bet to give image of aces to see if he slows down or is the 3 bet standard 3x raise? also, in microstakes, have notices many players using a min raise with wide range of hands (suited gappers and connectors). In 9max nl, how would you effectively use this?
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sven00100
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I tend to agree here with the call/fold here.
Personally without further tells, I would flat call it:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
Lets give him a fairly wide range, maybe wider initially as he could be perceiving your raise as a bluff, you would know better, but without tells, I doubt it would be by much.
equity---win-----tie-----pots won--pots tied
Hand 0: { AcQh }
35.733% 24.65% 11.08% 17727143 7970969.00
Hand 1: { JJ+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }
64.267% 53.18% 11.08% 38247687 7970969.00
Here we're about at our odds to make the call. We act first, and vs. QQ, AA we're not as likely to hit a hand where we stack off (nor is he as likely to hold these). KK, flop an Ace, and this puts action on him, flop a Queen, this depends on your post-flop play. JJ, flop a queen or an ace, this puts him in a harder position. to play. This seems like a reasonable range from bb, and will give us close to 0 return on our additional investment. If from experience he has an edge in post flop play, or is dangerous post-flop, I would muck to his 3bet. (Note: if he is 3betting here with a more polarized range regularly, I would tend to flat call this rather than fold, but I don't have information, obviously a more polarized range is +eV for you, so snap call)
Alternatively, once you reraised, I feel this significantly reduces his range.
I will include JJ, although honestly - for a TAg regular to shove here, I doubt he will be coming in over the top with JJ in this situation:
equity---win-----tie-----pots won--pots tied
Hand 0: { AcQh }
28.151% 27.02% 01.14% 13877878 583187.50
Hand 1: { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
71.849% 70.71% 01.14% 36324867 583187.50
With his re-shove, that $17 is dead money. you would need to put $33 additional into a $100 total pot, snap fold. -5% overall. This is however excluding any reads you may have on his play. If you can account for that 6% elsewhere, or think the ranges could be larger, that would affect your decision making here, but these ranges make the most sense to me, simply based on his 13/10 stats. Notably, removing JJ from the range here decreases your equity by an additional 3.7%.
I agree with what others said, I hope this explains why, call/fold initial reraise, fold to the reshove.
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