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jimmy44
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11-27-2007, 04:32 PM
Post subject: 50NL: Standard check/fold river against station?
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Last night I got into an interesting hand:
(I don't have the hand history due to a server crash)
We are 3 handed (this was a FR at Ongame, but people start leaving as there were some server problems). Stacks are as follows:
UTG (Me running at 13/10/5): $50
BU (80/0/0.5 over 50 hands): $80
BB (can't remenber): $30
Note: there is no SB as it left the previous hand.
I raised to $2 with J J .
BU calls.
BB calls.
flop is 5 3 6 (pot: $6)
BB checks.
I bet $4.5
BU calls.
BB folds.
turn is 8 (pot: $15)
I bet $10 (I need to keep valuing bet this guy up to river as he is a station)
BU calls.
river is Q (pot: $35)
I bet $15 (as this guy was a calling station I wanted to have some value from hands like A6o/77/99/A8o ...)
I was planning on folding to a push (were he would be representing the flush).
BU min raises to $30
It's $15 to win a possible $80. What hands could villain min-raise with less then a pair of Q, flush, set, straight ...
However, we need to be good only 1 in about 7 times for this call to be profitable ...
Would the best play here be a check/fold on the river?
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Fnord
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I would look this one up.
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wufwugy
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This villian is a huge station so you want to bet the river again and get called by fifth pair or whatever.
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jimmy44
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would look this one up.
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This guy being such a station do you think he min raises here often (if he is at least average he knows I don't have a flush)?
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Originally Posted by wugwugy
This villian is a huge station so you want to bet the river again and get called by fifth pair or whatever.
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Do you mean you push push on top of his min raise?
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bode
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would look this one up.
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i always tell myself this and it almost never works, especially against a river minbet. i dont see any hand you beat here, fold imo.
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wufwugy
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I was referring to your last line on if check/folding is best. It's not, like I said, but pushing over on river is super super super bad. He's a station, not a maniac. I probably look this one up like Fnord, but we're beat a tonnnnnnn here.
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jimmy44
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Actually, I folded and villain showed his cards, can anyone guess what he had? 
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by jimmy44
Actually, I folded and villain showed his cards, can anyone guess what he had? |
KQ
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seoul_child1
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Originally Posted by jimmy44
Actually, I folded and villain showed his cards, can anyone guess what he had? |
He probably had A4 or some crap like that!?!
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jimmy44
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Not quite
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DaHorror
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Playing 80% of his hands makes it pretty hard to guess...but based solely on his river play I'd lean towards something like
AA, Axs flush, 78s flush, QQ, Q6o
Anywhere close?
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spoonitnow
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Guess: QQ
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wufwugy
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Flush no doubt.
Maybe AA.
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jimmy44
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Actually, he showed:
4 4
ROTFL!!
I then said good hand!
My guess afterwards was that either he was a good player that played some levels above but was experimenting or he was a complete donkey and tried to min-raise bluff on the river.
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wufwugy
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Probably a minbet pro who knows how to pick his bluffs.
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