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d0zer

03-02-2008, 09:27 PM Post subject: 50NL: Line check

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Villain 44/8/1.2 over 25 hands.

My thinking on the river was if he was chasing a draw, he wouldn't call a bet. I didn't wanna deal with a push over either in case he was slowplaying. Too cautious vs this stationey villain?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($23.75)
UTG ($20.25)
UTG+1 ($8.50)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($43.50)
MP3 ($88.90)
CO ($48.75)
Hero ($49)
SB ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, T

.
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, MP3 calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) A

, 3

, 4

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $4, MP3 calls $4.

Turn: ($13.75) 9

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $10, MP3 calls $10.

River: ($33.75) 7

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $33.75

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XTR1000

03-02-2008, 09:39 PM

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XTR1000 is an unknown quantity at this point

Too small a sample to base action just on stats, vs this basically unkown I check thru too.

If he´s a true station tho you´re losing too much value by checking behind, a c/r on the river after he took this weakish line is so unlikely that we must go for $18 - $20

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d0zer

03-03-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by XTR1000

So if villain had those stats over 100 you'd bet the river also for value?

Interesting...I swear I always get burned in those spots by stations slowplaying AJ+

...probably just me being too results oriented.

Here's another one -- villain is 12/8/2.5 over 100.

I really had him on TT-QQ, and figured that he'd give up to any aggression. I figured if he had AQ/AJ We'd get it in eventually, so I figured I'd get most value in letting him be aggressive. Standard in a 3-bet pot with this kind of flop/villain?

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MP2 ($69.50)
CO ($63.20)
Hero ($90.25)
SB ($29.75)
BB ($12.90)
UTG ($55.60)
MP1 ($64.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, A

. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG raises to $1.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.50.

Flop: ($10.50) 5

, A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($10.50) 8

(2 players)
UTG bets $8, Hero calls $8.

River: ($26.50) 6

(2 players)
UTG bets $22, Hero raises to $77.25 (All-In)

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03-03-2008, 01:32 AM

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hey,dozer. I feel your pain really in hand 1.
Sometimes we really feel stupid when loose passive guys show down better hands. WTF, look my hand here

I believe that most of us would make a river value bet.
villain is 50/6.3/0.4 over 40 hands, loose calling stations based on my table reads.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($100.90)
BB ($100)
UTG ($59.50)
UTG+1 ($126.45)
MP1 ($189.50)
Hero ($111.10)
CO ($161.80)
Button ($19.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $6, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $5.

Flop: ($19.50) K

, 9

, 8

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $13, CO folds, UTG+1 calls $13.

Turn: ($45.50) J

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $26, UTG+1 calls $26.

River: ($97.50) 6

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $25, UTG+1 calls $25.

Final Pot: $147.50
he had :Ks:

d0zer

03-03-2008, 04:04 PM

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Been there pokerfan...all too many times.

I think the A9/AT as top pair situation is a little dodgy vs stations because assume they play any ace basically the same (passively) when hitting the ace, then we're only ahead of A2-A8, which is 7 hands. Now when there's 2 rags on the board, that's only 5-6 hands we're ahead of, and 5-6 or so we're behind, making it neutral EV to value bet the river?

Kinda over-simplified analysis, but intuitively I only feel like I'm ahead about half the time here with A9/AT.

This time villain flips A5o and I think "why didn't I value bet the river", but then am reminded of all the times villain flips Ax 2pr, AJ+ etc.

I'm still unsure as to the correct play. I never feel good with top pair OK kicker, even vs stations ... maybe too results-oriented

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03-03-2008, 09:50 PM

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i had no idea ppl were so passive at midstakes. I go broke with pokerfan's hand there.

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d0zer

03-03-2008, 09:54 PM

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i had no idea ppl were so passive at midstakes. I go broke with pokerfan's hand there.

Yeah I probably go broke there with that hand vs that villain... He basically did - $40 left in his stack? I would have just pushed the river with the pot as big as it was.

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