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jimmy44
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12-10-2007, 07:40 PM
Post subject: 50NL: KK with A on flop and a manic and calling station
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with K  K 
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: J A 2 ($6.25, 3 players)
BB bets $8, Hero calls, Button calls.
Turn: 2  ($30.25, 3 players)
BB bets $9, Hero ????
BB was a maniac/bad player, I was about 90% sure he didn't had an Ace.
Button was a station. Can you put him only on a Ace?
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meeloche
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Bad players tend to play every ace they get and your in a hand with 2 of them. Its a unfortunate, but I think you have to muck KK here.
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d0zer
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How can you be 90% sure a maniac doesn't have an ace when maniacs play ace rag constantly?
3-way with an ace on the board? The only way I'm playing kings there is vs tighties where I can be sure they'll fold without an ace, or maybe a loose passive who will call with 2nd pair and check me down. against maniacs...you've got no idea where you stand in this hand.
(this 2c comes from a bit of a donk so taker with a grain of salt)
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XTR1000
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This is an easy spot to let KK go.
Ace-rag is a huge part of both villians raises, BB overbet flop in a 3way pot and Button will call with any A/J/fd/gutshot.
Wrong time "to see what he does on turn"
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fold the flop. It's a small pot, poor hand, strong bet, theres another player to act and the board is likely to get scarier for your hand.
As played turn is an easy fold. One of them has an A.
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daven
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fold flop rather than waste 16bb on a 2-outer
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jimmy44
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Thanks for the comments!
Yup, I see that I should have folded flop. It was difficult for me to let go KK there. Even with a maniac and a station one of them would have the Ace often enough. I have to change this if I want to be a good player!
I called turn (I'm a station ...  ). River was blank and it was checked. BB showed T7h (his overbets on flop were not good hands) but Button showed A9o
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bigspenda73
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if you think the bb is bluffing you can always just shove, I don't care if he's a station or not, I'd give him credit for folding A9 there.
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Renton
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fold flop
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