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JinxT4
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07-14-2008, 11:22 PM
Post subject: 50NL JJ vs Spoon 3bet pot IP
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
CO ($54.90)
Hero ($49.25)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($120.15)
UTG ($63.70)
UTG+1 ($51.25)
MP1 ($97.40)
MP2 ($60.60)
MP3 ($50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J , J .
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $8, CO calls $8.
Flop: ($30.75) T , 6, 5 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($30.75) 2 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $19, CO folds, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $30.75
Standard? I was pretty surprised when he called my 3bet. His range is most likely (?) JJ+/AK (maybe more likely AA/KK), this is a simple snapfold, right? I figured betting flop was the best way to value town myself, so I decided to see what he did on the turn. Fwiw, he probably views me as 12/8.
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Fnord
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How terrible is CO?
The sick part of this hand is that with CO in the mix he should be flatting AA/KK.
I would just go all-in on the flop.
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a500lbgorilla
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why 3 bet if a spoon call means you shut down?
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
why 3 bet if a spoon call means you shut down?
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For information, lolz
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gametight
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cbet... by the way, what are you putting him on?
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I'd cbet that flop every time
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badgers
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
why 3 bet if a spoon call means you shut down?
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this
I mean your line is incoherent, if you're not shoving this flop you shouldn't be 3-betting.
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JinxT4
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Originally Posted by gametight
cbet... by the way, what are you putting him on?
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QQ+ when he calls the 3bet. Possibly AK.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
why 3 bet if a spoon call means you shut down?
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Thought I was probably ahead pf. His call changed my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by badgers
I mean your line is incoherent, if you're not shoving this flop you shouldn't be 3-betting.
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So I shouldn't be worried about value-towning myself vs higher overpairs ever?
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swiggidy
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
why 3 bet if a spoon call means you shut down?
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Thought I was probably ahead pf. His call changed my thoughts. |
So you want to blow away any hand that you're ahead of?
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JinxT4
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
why 3 bet if a spoon call means you shut down?
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Thought I was probably ahead pf. His call changed my thoughts. |
So you want to blow away any hand that you're ahead of? |
So is calling pf >>> raising?
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pokerfan
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i think position >> initiative in these situations.
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
why 3 bet if a spoon call means you shut down?
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Thought I was probably ahead pf. His call changed my thoughts. |
So you want to blow away any hand that you're ahead of? |
So is calling pf >>> raising? |
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Deanglow
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Call preflop most of the time but as played bet the flop
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JinxT4
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
Call preflop most of the time but as played bet the flop
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Alright.
What about if I have QQ or AK (regarding preflop)? I only ask b/c I do 3b JJ pf often here, which seems to be bad, so I'm wondering if I should be 3betting AK/QQ. 
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Deanglow
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If you have history with him (I know I play a lot goofier with FTR regs- ask Setzy) then get it in pre with AK and QQ. I flat with them sometimes pre vs unknowns.
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daven
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pre-flop 3-bet only if you are happy to c-bet a dry flop. If you had TT you would be c-betting, right?
otherwise check behind.
As played you are begging to have the pot taken away from you on the turn.
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