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shyguy03533

08-23-2009, 04:54 PM Post subject: 50NL interesting 4way pot middle set

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The deep stack got lucky and doubled up quick in the first few hands so I didnt have much on him, I saw him slow play 2 pair and shove the riv as well as bet out on flop with flushdraws, other than that, I have nothin on him.

My question is my bet sizing, and how would you bet in order to keep him in the pot, or do you even check the turn instead of betting? The T of diamonds kinda made me bet out because he was def one to draw out till the river.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($10.35)
MP2 ($1.05)
Hero (CO) ($58.15)
Button ($82.80)
SB ($32.80)
BB ($9)
UTG ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7

, 7

1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 bets $1.05 (All-In), Hero calls $1.05, Button calls $1.05, SB calls $0.80, BB calls $0.55, MP1 calls $0.55

Flop: ($6.30) K

, 7

, 6

(6 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $9.30 (All-In), Hero calls $5.30, Button calls $5.30

Turn: ($34.20) 10

(4 players, 2 all-in)
Hero bets $19, 1 fold

River: ($34.20) 3

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $34.20 | Rake: $1.70

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Deanglow

08-23-2009, 06:15 PM

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Yeah it's fine maybe bet smaller on the turn

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08-23-2009, 07:16 PM

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Everything is fine. I might even bet larger on turn.

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Benzooka

08-24-2009, 06:44 AM

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4 into a 6 dollar pot on flop you guys like? I would have bet a little bigger both streets. You're betting multiway, you have something. Give them the option to make a mistake with their draws. If top pair or better is going to call, it's not going to change its mind over the bet size here. However as played you gave yourself the chance to reraise after the shove by MP1, I like minraising there(I use it in healthy balance between isolating effectively and creating a side pot to play for). No side usually means no further value extractable.

If you planned to "suck out" you did the first half.

daven

08-24-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzooka

4 into a 6 dollar pot on flop you guys like? I would have bet a little bigger both streets. You're betting multiway, you have something. Give them the option to make a mistake with their draws. .

not a very draw-heavy board.
We have 3-streets to get it in.

as for min-3-betting the flop, wtf!, that causes button to fold. We want to keep button in.

I like the hand as played.

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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08-24-2009, 08:48 AM

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Button is overcalling, pretty likely his continuings are flopped sets and straight draws. Not a lot of kings in his range, given he isn't a complete moron and 4bets AK. We're a given to felt all the sets. And probably his 3 combos of 76 pairs.

What's to gain by betting less except to make it suspect we're begging for action? I don't think KQ is changing his action given a minraise or not, and we give him the pleasure of making a difficult decision. As 89/54, two of his likely holdings, are painfully correct in calling in all situations except maybe pre.

Also, just a tidbit, we don't want a draw coming along at 6:1 with more than enough equity and no side pot for him to semi-bluff at. 3:1 without a true race we want.

If you planned to "suck out" you did the first half.

daven

08-24-2009, 12:23 PM

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remember that we are discussing flop play here, when hero has lead out and faced a call and a raise...

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Button is overcalling,

when it's our turn to act after the flop raise he hasn't overcalled at all...

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Originally Posted by Benzooka

Not a lot of kings in his range

are you tripping?

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Originally Posted by Benzooka

As 89/54, two of his likely holdings,

among many, many others

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Originally Posted by Benzooka

Also, just a tidbit, we don't want a draw coming along at 6:1 with more than enough equity and no side pot for him to semi-bluff at. 3:1 without a true race we want.

button will call KQ/KJ type of hands as played, he won't call a flop 3-bet with these hands. Sets we're getting it in regardless. OESDs are a tiny part of his range.

just a tidbit, we do want KQ type of hands coming along and feeling pot-struck on later streets....

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Benzooka

08-25-2009, 09:40 AM

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Overcall was pre.
among many, many others? please include logic of his percieved range.

Also why would he feel "pot-struck" with no sidepot? There's no point in us or he bluffing if there's no side since we will always have to show down to the flop felter.

If you planned to "suck out" you did the first half.

08-25-2009, 12:07 PM

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Button's most likely range after the first call is Kxs, KT-KQ, OESDs, 76, 66, or retarded 1pair hands like 87s.

After the second call, i'd remove 87s, lower Kxs, and give more weight to 2pair, OESDs, and the higher Kx hands.

Given that, I'd agree with Drew that a biggish turn bet is in order.

I think it's fairly close between 3betting small and flatting.

Also pllleeeeassee people, there's no fxxing way he overcalled KK pre, i mean the 1/5000 times some moron does that is not even worth taking into consideration.

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08-25-2009, 02:15 PM

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$10 on the turn, shove the river.

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