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pokerfan
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08-25-2010, 04:45 AM
Post subject: 50NL,i'm a station(sb vs bb)
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villian is unknown but seems a bad player over a few observed hands.He repped little on flop & turn.my plan is c/c and call any non-ace river.How spewy is it? He actually though a while before shoving river.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($50.75)
Hero (SB) ($50.25)
BB ($66.70)
UTG ($51)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($120.60)
CO ($50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , Q
5 folds, Hero bets $1.75, BB calls $1.50
Flop: ($4) 9, 7 , 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, BB raises $7.25, Hero calls $4.50
Turn: ($18.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $12, Hero calls $12
River: ($42.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $45.45 (All-In), Hero calls $29 (All-In)
Total pot: $100.50
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What information are you leaving out that makes this not the average "I have a set" line?
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ffs fold somewhere
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i don't understand why you wanna stack off with second pair here
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needs more reads...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by badgers
needs more reads...
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bad lag tard + sb vs bb(I observed his retarded play at other tables)
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for example?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by badgers
for example?
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I saw him limp in J8s from mp and stab at pot on flop/bluff river when checked to.
Actually I had JJ in this hand and hit my gin card on the river,just wondering if I can call with QQ.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfan
I saw him limp in J8s from mp and stab at pot on flop/bluff river when checked to.
Actually I had JJ in this hand and hit my gin card on the river,just wondering if I can call with QQ. |
What was his bet sizing in the previous hand?
Was it a limp/call, donk bet flop? or were you oop and checked the flop to him?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dev
What was his bet sizing in the previous hand?
Was it a limp/call, donk bet flop? or were you oop and checked the flop to him?
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i was not involved in those observed unopened hands.His bet sizing was small when he stabbed at pots with air in position.I just had the feeling that he might be an aggressive donk but not too sure though.This is the reason i c/c with JJ on K turn and plan to call most rivers.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfan
i was not involved in those observed unopened hands.His bet sizing was small when he stabbed at pots with air in position.I just had the feeling that he might be an aggressive donk but not too sure though.This is the reason i c/c with JJ on K turn and plan to call most rivers.
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well clerly he has the fucking nuts now
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
well clerly he has the fucking nuts now
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or total air.Hard to give ppl too much credit these days.
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omg his range is polarized!
that just entitles us to correctly call down with anything resembling sd value!
edit: you should re-read your description of how you saw him play his air hands before and that should probably weight this instance to him having a legit hand. This calldown could be okay vs certain tag-fish but its hard to determine whether it would be correct or not in a thread because only you can really understand the true timing/game flow/history etc. all we can do is point you a certain direction given the evidence leading up to the hand.
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villian is unknown but seems a bad player over a few observed hands
ya, now go allin with your second pair on the river
i fold either the flop or turn here
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Sorry guys, I'd call pretty quickly
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I would think that for this to be a call he would have to be really spewy preflop and bluff raise flops with total air w/ no backdoor draws fairly often since a lot of the reasonable flop bluffing hands got there on the river. Seems like a pretty reasonable valueshove with Kx also
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i think the river is pretty close actually. really depends on if hes good enough to thin value shove Jx
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dev
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He's kinda bad, he thought for a while and then shoved a jack? I don't buy it.
I probably just get it in on the flop here, but as played I b/f turn... how did we get to this spot on the river? I guess if you can look back at the hand and try to figure out what our range is, we're at the top end so it's pretty exploitable to fold, but not if we just never play it like this again.
Live, this kind of passivity is fine because you can get max value from bluffing ranges more often when people are exhibiting physical tells. I really don't think this kind of line can be profitable online.
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no one is value shoving a jack on the river here at 50nl unless they are really just clueless and mashing buttons.
we shouldn't lead the turn if he's just going to barrel all his air on it.
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Looks like a very easy turn fold as it scares most of his outvalued range
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i'm with dean. i also think you need to re-evaluate what rivers you call. i think that ace is probably one of the least scary cards...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bbickes
i think the river is pretty close actually. really depends on if hes good enough to thin value shove Jx
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again you are really confusing good enough with monkey aggression
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I think CC down is fine if you have the read that he will bet away.
Folding flop vs a unknown who looks laggy? There is no way I can do that.
I'm hard pressed not to 3b get it in on the flop. My range is wide and you hafto be real nitty for me not to go broke with on overpair BvB.
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i call this, i think ppl are putting him on way too tight a range.
QQ is 2nd pair technically but really its top pair, the K is just a bluffing card.
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