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Old 12-15-2008, 11:51 PM     Post subject: 50NL - facing donkbets from oop caller. #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is unkown. The problem is that I do not understand what the idea is of donk betting into me. The only somewhat sound reason I can come up with is that he's trying to block bet either a draw or a weak pair, but I'm sure some % of players do this for value.
So that's why I have a pretty hard time putting him on a range. I'm so lost in that hand, I wouldn't be surprised if you told me to fold call or raise frankly.
On the flop most hands that he could be block betting have a T, so I guess that puts him more in the weak J, 99, 89, 78, 77 range. I'm really in the dark here. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns over AJ or a set on the river.
If I didn't catch the oesd on the turn, I would have folded to the turn bet putting him on a weak Jack.
On the river I don't know what he has but I'm pretty sure I'm beat... something like KJ, QJ, JT, 99

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Stacks:
UTG Mats_01 ($56.09)
UTG+1 Hero ($56.59)
MP1 sezi1 ($21.50)
MP2 scherzkeks ($47.50)
MP3 SSSaint ($120.68)
CO joaberg ($79.76)
BTN Pat-JD ($45.88)
SB crazyace ($78.89)
BB colti ($48.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 5 folds, crazyace calls $1.75, colti calls $1.50

Flop: ($6, 3 players)
crazyace bets $3, colti folds, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($12, 2 players)
crazyace bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($24, 2 players)
crazyace bets $12, Hero folds

Final Pot: $36

crazyace wins $35.40 ( won +$12.40 )
colti lost -$2.00
Hero lost -$11.00
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:11 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 When I put him on a generous enough range to make this a good call on the river, I'd have to include 9T, 89, 77, 66 - and I'm not sure how likely those are compared to Jx.
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fold on the river in FR games, period.
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:42 AM #5 (permalink)  
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If I call the flop and turn I'm calling this river every time. Otherwise just fold the flop. Usually if I have air I'll raise when they donk weak and if I have showdown like this I might call or fold depending on villain.
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I think this is value betting as villain has T9 and believes he is ahead on the turn.

I played a similar hand at these stakes today where villain donked into me on the flop with OESD and then hit top pair on the turn -- his line was exactly like this, except he donked the flop, I popped him, he snap called it and donked the turn and river. I called him down with an overpair (board was paired, flush and straightening by turn).
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raise flop or fold
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Old 12-16-2008, 02:43 PM #8 (permalink)  
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raise flop or fold
Because our equity is hurting against his 3bet calling range and he probably folds everything we have smoked, i would advise against this.

I think this is an 8 or a 910 or Q10 type hand a lot.
44/88/JJ would probably bet more on turn to protect.
Getting 3:1 I would call and make a note
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:45 PM #9 (permalink)  
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raise flop or fold
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if your not calling that river u shouldn't be calling the flop.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:40 PM #11 (permalink)  
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if your not calling that river u shouldn't be calling the flop.
So you don't think the villains range changes after he has bet 3 streets as opposed to donking into me on the flop?

I appreciate anyones advice but please give a reason.
Same goes for the "raise/fold flop" guy.
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