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Old 11-04-2009, 05:57 AM     Post subject: 50nl bottom set against very strong reg play #1 (permalink)  
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About twenty hands into the table, with no significant out of line actions on any side. I'm running very true to my standard ABC 14/11/3 style. (Was on doom run, so converted back to ABC and dropped stakes)

UTG+1, 14/8/3 is a positionally aware, tight, ABC style reg over 1800 hands this is his second flop check raise.

MP2, 10/6 over 400 hands. Nitty like he ain't got manners

CO is a 2 hand unknown.

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Hero (MP1) ($50)
MP2 ($74.45)
CO ($22.05)
Button ($11.55)
SB ($12.75)
BB ($88.60)
UTG ($48)
UTG+1 ($52.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3, 3
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($7.75) 6, 9, 3 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5.50, MP2 calls $5.50, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $18, Hero ???
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:36 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I typically throw up and punch something before making this FOLD
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 I'd fold pre also
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 pre is terrible as played don't fold
 
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:39 PM #5 (permalink)  
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long time since i played FR if this is a fold pre
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:45 PM #6 (permalink)  
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pre is awful.you have 2 shorties behind you.

Well,its just a weird line for a ABC Tagg player to c/r with TT+.nevertheless,im not folding.

Was his 1st flop c/r multiway as well?
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I'd fold pre also
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:25 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Well I think it depends on the table, but typically I'm folding this pre. Unless it was a bunch of passive fish. Given the stack sizes your table looks pretty fishy, so perhaps calling is fine. But take into consideration how often a shorty is going to squeeze and make you fold. If the table was full of decent regulars I'd fold too, but maybe that's a bit tight for 50nl. I'd rather wait till I'm in a later position to set hunt to minimize risk of being squeezed and also with a better chance of having position in the hand, it'll be easier to steal postflop in most cases.

Perhaps anyone who disagrees should filter out pairs 22-55 say from UTG+1 to MP1 or 2 facing an UTG to UTG+1/MP1 raise and see how profitable they are overall. I don't have a large enough DB right now to gain anything from this but it would be interesting to see someone elses results.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:59 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I dont think you can get away from this one. Push. Could still be an overpair that was played as if he knew someone would behind would take a stab at the dry pot.

I'm old school as well Da Goat and it looks like you have implied odd's to call pre. Make sets/get paid used to be the motto back in my day (05/06) so this is a bread and butter hand.
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