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daven
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09-17-2008, 06:30 AM
Post subject: 50nl bottom set 5way into heavy action
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pre-flop aggressor and flop re-raiser is pretty standard 13-8 over 500 hands. Haven't seen him do anything stupid enough to be noteworthy. Seems pretty straightforward. Maybe he'd do this with AA/KK? or is this always JJ?
big blind seems to be a bit weak and loose 30-7 over 40 hands, not much aggression to date.
is this one of those rare spots where folding a set is ok?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($50.20)
SB ($73.95)
BB ($52.55)
UTG ($50.75)
UTG+1 ($103.40)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($100.35)
CO ($149.15)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 2 , 2
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25
Flop: ($9) 2 , 5, J (5 players)
BB bets $9, UTG+1 raises to $22, 2 folds, ok, bottom set and that kinda action - shove? call? fold?
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Muzzard
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[ ] folding set is ok
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If you're ever going to fold a set here, you should fold PF
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Miffed22001
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pf'rer could easily be trying to bump everyone out of the pot with an overpair.
Cold call the raise and see what happens on the next card
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
pf'rer could easily be trying to bump everyone out of the pot with an overpair.
Cold call the raise and see what happens on the next card
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I definitely like to raise silly donk bets when I have an overpair
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Gawd I butchered my analysis as I can't read HH's lildogz.
So like the BB could haz anything, like BB's range is wide coz obv he a donk. UTG+1's range is much smaller, but I doubt he'd be raising this board with top set - seems kinda tarded on a drawless board with still alot of ppl to act, so I like's put him on QQ+ mostly.
I flat the raise on the flop and shovels the turn coz I haz a set and i wants to get it all ins. I suppose i don't mindz a flop shovel, BB may fold but UTG+1 is committed anywayz... Calling here is prob better as it will induce BB donk to get it in too, imo. Then buy lots of cheezeburgerz with ur winnings.
lildogz, this is obv a results oriented post and u like lost AI or folded and was like lolwtf i had u all suxx0rs OMG why did I fold a set. But on a srsbsnss ultrahyper levelz u cannot fold.
When the flop action gets to me, i'm thinking how many of these can I buy
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Muzzard
Gawd I butchered my analysis as I can't read HH's lildogz.
So like the BB could haz anything, like BB's range is wide coz obv he a donk. UTG+1's range is much smaller, but I doubt he'd be raising this board with top set - seems kinda tarded on a drawless board with still alot of ppl to act, so I like's put him on QQ+ mostly.
I flat the raise on the flop and shovels the turn coz I haz a set and i wants to get it all ins. I suppose i don't mindz a flop shovel, BB may fold but UTG+1 is committed anywayz... Calling here is prob better as it will induce BB donk to get it in too, imo. Then buy lots of cheezeburgerz with ur winnings.
lildogz, this is obv a results oriented post and u like lost AI or folded and was like lolwtf i had u all suxx0rs OMG why did I fold a set. But on a srsbsnss ultrahyper levelz u cannot fold.
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Dont agree the turn is a shovel unless opp bets as our line is pretty scary
i feel we can let the river come and shove over him then, but shovelling turn is standard at these stakes probably
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Originally Posted by Muzzard
Gawd I butchered my analysis as I can't read HH's lildogz.
So like the BB could haz anything, like BB's range is wide coz obv he a donk. UTG+1's range is much smaller, but I doubt he'd be raising this board with top set - seems kinda tarded on a drawless board with still alot of ppl to act, so I like's put him on QQ+ mostly.
I flat the raise on the flop and shovels the turn coz I haz a set and i wants to get it all ins. I suppose i don't mindz a flop shovel, BB may fold but UTG+1 is committed anywayz... Calling here is prob better as it will induce BB donk to get it in too, imo. Then buy lots of cheezeburgerz with ur winnings.
lildogz, this is obv a results oriented post and u like lost AI or folded and was like lolwtf i had u all suxx0rs OMG why did I fold a set. But on a srsbsnss ultrahyper levelz u cannot fold.
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Dont agree the turn is a shovel unless opp bets as our line is pretty scary
i feel we can let the river come and shove over him then, but shovelling turn is standard at these stakes probably |
What? we have like 26 left, we can't shove over anything. The pot'll be like $50+ and more if BB calls. If he checks shove, if he bets call ldo.
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calling is pointless. Its not like theyre gonna be "Oh he cold called a giant reraise on the flop because he's got a draw! I can shove him off his hand!"
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
calling is pointless. Its not like theyre gonna be "Oh he cold called a giant reraise on the flop because he's got a draw! I can shove him off his hand!"
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It's more likely we can keep the BB donk in the hand by calling, that shoudl be our main intention by calling.
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I think we are definitely ahead of both ranges here. Calling the flop to keep the BB in? If the BB is going to call a raise to $22 is he not calling a shove?--unless a draw but there are very few draws here. I think that more money is likely to be made with a flop shove than calling the raise. This seems to me exactly what one would hope for with a set! And I agree with iopq, if youre planning on folding a set why are you calling pre? If youre beat here its just kidna how it goes but you should be good most of the time, think of how easily this could be AA, KK, QQ, AJ trying to get money from a weaker J.
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I think we are definitely ahead of both ranges here. Calling the flop to keep the BB in? If the BB is going to call a raise to $22 is he not calling a shove?--unless a draw but there are very few draws here. I think that more money is likely to be made with a flop shove than calling the raise. This seems to me exactly what one would hope for with a set! And I agree with iopq, if youre planning on folding a set why are you calling pre? If youre beat here its just kidna how it goes but you should be good most of the time, think of how easily this could be AA, KK, QQ, AJ trying to get money from a weaker J.
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UTG+1 is NOT folding, we can make it 13 more for BB donk or 39 more - which is he more likely to call? 30-7= fr donk IMO.
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UTG+1 is definitely not folding? What do you think he has? I feel there are things in his range that he could make this play with that he wouldnt want everything in with 3 players but would with 2. Although youre right you could extract another 13 from the BB donk for sure but how does that 3-way action effect UTG+1 on the turn? I see it 4 ways. You shove and get a stack from UTG+1. You call and BB calls too and then BB checks on his pair and UTG slows down and then you bet and they fold and you were worse off. Or you shove and BB and UTG+1 call and you win two stacks or the same thing but with the turn way. And then of course that you are beat but I think the play here is to get all the money in so we will use that as a starting point. I dont know it just seems to me that at low-stakes people get way spewier when they are in early streets and when they have a street to thnk about it at some small level they might not go all the way. This clearly isnt completely obvious to me though.
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
pf'rer could easily be trying to bump everyone out of the pot with an overpair.
Cold call the raise and see what happens on the next card
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+1 standard. We will get more money in the pot this way assuming that you go into the tank for a while.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
pf'rer could easily be trying to bump everyone out of the pot with an overpair.
Cold call the raise and see what happens on the next card
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+1 standard. We will get more money in the pot this way assuming that you go into the tank for a while. |
the worst bit is, we still fucking pay off this dumbass line too much.
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
pf'rer could easily be trying to bump everyone out of the pot with an overpair.
Cold call the raise and see what happens on the next card
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+1 standard. We will get more money in the pot this way assuming that you go into the tank for a while. |
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