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d0zer
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03-19-2008, 04:36 AM
Post subject: 50NL: AK missed flop in a 3-bet pot
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+1 ($50.75)
MP1 ($33)
MP2 ($16.15)
Hero ($50.70)
Button ($20.45)
SB ($16.90)
BB ($53.65)
UTG ($59.70)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , K.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.5, 3 folds, MP1 calls $3.75.
Flop: ($11.75) 9 , 5 , 3 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero ... ?
Villain 21/7/inf
What's the best line here?
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d0zer
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Oh, and what's a 'standard' 21/7/inf's 3-bet calling range? 5%? 4%? Has anyone come up with a factor that you multiply the PFR% by to get the 'standard' 3-bet calling range? ...or does it vary THAT much from 21/7/inf to 21/7/inf?
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Without reads I b/f here, if only to keep another AK or an AQ from taking the pot away from us. If we have some post-flop stats on V it's a lot easier to come up with a decent tactic.
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daven
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3-bet to $4 has sme result.
As played bet $8.5 to get jj to fold
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pgil
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JJ from a thinking villain doesn't fold there. JJ from a non-thinking villain probably doesn't either. 27 VPIP doesn't fold JJ as an overpair whether he thinks or not.
This is an obvious bet I would imagine. You are (I am assuming anyways) 3-betting pf to take the initiative and represent a powerful hand (usually the big PP's/AK). Only 1 of your hands didn't like this flop.
If there is any history between you, or if you have been unusually active at the table this may come into play here. Any postflop tendencies of your opp would also help. preflop, should his raising range be adjusted for position, or does he not realize that there are other positions than "at the table"?
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d0zer
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by pgil
JJ from a thinking villain doesn't fold there. JJ from a non-thinking villain probably doesn't either. 27 VPIP doesn't fold JJ as an overpair whether he thinks or not.
This is an obvious bet I would imagine. You are (I am assuming anyways) 3-betting pf to take the initiative and represent a powerful hand (usually the big PP's/AK). Only 1 of your hands didn't like this flop.
If there is any history between you, or if you have been unusually active at the table this may come into play here. Any postflop tendencies of your opp would also help. preflop, should his raising range be adjusted for position, or does he not realize that there are other positions than "at the table"?
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All good food for thought. I had been my typical aggro, PFRing, c-betting self so villain may not have took my c-bet seriously & pushed over. I've got to remember to maybe not c-bet EVERY single time I miss, especially if I've been doing it a lot on a table. Guys who are only playing one-table notice that kinda stuff...
I didn't have enough hands on him to get a good post-flop read ... what little I had said "aggressive".
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d0zer
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by daven
3-bet to $4 has sme result.
As played bet $8.5 to get jj to fold
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I give implied odds to the BB to sethunt with a $4 3-bet.
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