50nl advice

**Razvan729** · 03-28-2012 02:53 PM

So i moved to 50nl and have around 80k hands played w/ just 1ptbb/100hands and its obvious is not what i was hoping for. as most of you know i am a tight straighforward ABC player and that worked for me up to the 50nl.

Biggest problem i see ( there are more i am sure but this the obvious one in my opinion) in my play at the 50nl is the 3bet spots and 4bet spots.

OOP i dont flat 3bets w/ anything else but 22-QQ if i get at least 15:1, if i get less, i even fold QQ.

IP ( when i get blinds 3 betting me) i flat w/ AJs, AQs sometimes besides PP.

my 4bet range is just AK, AKs, KK+ and i always fold to a 5bet ( besides AA obvious) and even fold KK sometimes if i dont feel he can 5bet worse.

i only 3bet QQ+, AK and from the blinds i add Axs and that all.

for the last 10k hands i started 3betting AJo, AQo,( i call PFR w/ AQs, AJs,) TT+, AK when i am LP vs MP/EP and just QQ+, AK when i am MP vs EP and in the blinds i started 3betting Kxs also.

as for flatting 3bets, OOP i changed nothing, but IP i started flatting SC, suited broadways and ocasional some Axs.

i have seen some improvements , but i dont know if its because of a good run or because they are good changes.

i am asking your advice in my 4betting range, my 4bet flatting range , my OOP 3bet flatting range and if changes i made in my 3bet/flatting 3bets IP range are ok. we assume all this plays are vs the average 50nl player, not the extremes ( nits or maniacs). any advice from 50nl+ winning players is welcome in any part of the 50nl game not just 3bet/4bet spots.

**bikes** · 03-28-2012 08:02 PM

do some maths and figure out certain ranges play against other ranges and you'll be fine.

**d0zer** · 03-28-2012 08:22 PM

sounds like you're playing too static of a game. Figure out the regs...which to widen your ranges & bluff, which to tighten etc.

**WeaselT** · 04-02-2012 02:02 AM

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**alexandertiny** · 04-09-2012 01:07 PM

just let your hud do the work for you against regs and like d0zer says don't be to static yourself

**chatzilla** · 05-14-2012 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by d0zer

sounds like you're playing too static of a game. Figure out the regs...which to widen your ranges & bluff, which to tighten etc.

This this this. At 50 you should start getting thousand of hands on some regs, review your database get to know how they think.

**sah_24** · 05-16-2012 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by d0zer

sounds like you're playing too static of a game. Figure out the regs...which to widen your ranges & bluff, which to tighten etc.

This so much , you shouldn't be so static . Just try some things like you talked about and start mixing it up a little . I would start off by flatting more when you are in position vs the aggro blind 3bettors . I would probably lean towards 4bettting a little more when oop vs the aggressive 3bettors .

03-28-2012 02:53 PM #1
Razvan729 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 873 Location Bucuresti, Romania	50nl advice So i moved to 50nl and have around 80k hands played w/ just 1ptbb/100hands and its obvious is not what i was hoping for. as most of you know i am a tight straighforward ABC player and that worked for me up to the 50nl. Biggest problem i see ( there are more i am sure but this the obvious one in my opinion) in my play at the 50nl is the 3bet spots and 4bet spots. OOP i dont flat 3bets w/ anything else but 22-QQ if i get at least 15:1, if i get less, i even fold QQ. IP ( when i get blinds 3 betting me) i flat w/ AJs, AQs sometimes besides PP. my 4bet range is just AK, AKs, KK+ and i always fold to a 5bet ( besides AA obvious) and even fold KK sometimes if i dont feel he can 5bet worse. i only 3bet QQ+, AK and from the blinds i add Axs and that all. for the last 10k hands i started 3betting AJo, AQo,( i call PFR w/ AQs, AJs,) TT+, AK when i am LP vs MP/EP and just QQ+, AK when i am MP vs EP and in the blinds i started 3betting Kxs also. as for flatting 3bets, OOP i changed nothing, but IP i started flatting SC, suited broadways and ocasional some Axs. i have seen some improvements , but i dont know if its because of a good run or because they are good changes. i am asking your advice in my 4betting range, my 4bet flatting range , my OOP 3bet flatting range and if changes i made in my 3bet/flatting 3bets IP range are ok. we assume all this plays are vs the average 50nl player, not the extremes ( nits or maniacs). any advice from 50nl+ winning players is welcome in any part of the 50nl game not just 3bet/4bet spots.
	*All posts are just my own opinion about a hand or a general situation... not advices on how you should play...*
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03-28-2012 08:02 PM #2
bikes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message i roll up Join Date Nov 2007 Posts 6,261 Location house	do some maths and figure out certain ranges play against other ranges and you'll be fine.

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03-28-2012 08:22 PM #3
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,278	sounds like you're playing too static of a game. Figure out the regs...which to widen your ranges & bluff, which to tighten etc.

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05-14-2012 10:20 PM #6
chatzilla View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 364 Location Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by d0zer sounds like you're playing too static of a game. Figure out the regs...which to widen your ranges & bluff, which to tighten etc. This this this. At 50 you should start getting thousand of hands on some regs, review your database get to know how they think.

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05-16-2012 02:41 AM #7
sah_24 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2009 Posts 69 Location laclede mo	Originally Posted by d0zer sounds like you're playing too static of a game. Figure out the regs...which to widen your ranges & bluff, which to tighten etc. This so much , you shouldn't be so static . Just try some things like you talked about and start mixing it up a little . I would start off by flatting more when you are in position vs the aggro blind 3bettors . I would probably lean towards 4bettting a little more when oop vs the aggressive 3bettors .

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