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06-29-2006, 12:08 AM
Post subject: 50NL AA faces all-in turn bet
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($38.75)
UTG ($50.50)
UTG+1 ($11.90)
MP1 ($112.35)
MP2 ($50.40)
CO ($18.70)
Hero ($48)
SB ($58.95)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , A .
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.5, MP1 calls $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50, UTG+1 calls $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50.
Flop: ($16.25) T , 7 , 5 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $13, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $13.
Turn: ($42.25) 2 (2 players)
MP1 bets $95.35 (All-In), Hero ???
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The Villian was VPIP 72/PFR 27.8 over 36 hands.
How do you like the rest of the hand, and do you call all-in on turn?
What about against a tighter player?
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gabe
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a tighter player wouldn't play many hands like this... make something like ATc but thats not very likely
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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I'd prolly make it ~$6 preflop.
With 1/3 of my stack in this pot I don't think I can fold that turn... I think he wants to take the pot down right there.
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andy-akb
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When I first read the hand I thought it would be tough to call a 2x pot overbet on the turn with one pair, but then realized he had a 200BB stack and you didnt. Given an effective stack of 100BB and those stats of your opponent this is a call, if he had checked would you have pushed?
Preflop I raise more and on the flop I am probably betting the pot.
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gabe
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yea raise more preflop too
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Preflop raise is ok;$5 is acceptable as well.$6 may drive him out even if he is setfarming.
FLop bet is standard.
Turn........my instinct was fold but as soon as I saw your stats on him and IF your read is confident enough I'd call and jsut pay him off.Maniacs tend to have air more often than not;if this was a rock/TAP or solid TAG well in that case a fold is more in order.
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make it like around $6-$7 to go preflop and jam the flop. As played, I call the turn.
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gabe
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make it like around $6-$7 to go preflop and jam the flop. As played, I call the turn.
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I DONT KNOW LOOKS LIKE VILLIAN HAS 22 PROB FOLD AND SAVE THE STACK AMIRITE
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jk lukie
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make it like around $6-$7 to go preflop and jam the flop. As played, I call the turn.
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I DONT KNOW LOOKS LIKE VILLIAN HAS 22 PROB FOLD AND SAVE THE STACK AMIRITE |
I think we see some kind of weird 2 pair or draw/combo draw a lot of the times. I'll never put a 72/28 guy on a set.
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make it like around $6-$7 to go preflop and jam the flop. As played, I call the turn.
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I DONT KNOW LOOKS LIKE VILLIAN HAS 22 PROB FOLD AND SAVE THE STACK AMIRITE |
I think we see some kind of weird 2 pair or draw/combo draw a lot of the times. I'll never put a 72/28 guy on a set. |
Me neither,untill yesterday where i run into a set 5 times....3 times it was against a 70/25.
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make it like around $6-$7 to go preflop and jam the flop. As played, I call the turn.
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I DONT KNOW LOOKS LIKE VILLIAN HAS 22 PROB FOLD AND SAVE THE STACK AMIRITE |
I think we see some kind of weird 2 pair or draw/combo draw a lot of the times. I'll never put a 72/28 guy on a set. |
Me neither,untill yesterday where i run into a set 5 times....3 times it was against a 70/25. |
lol.
variance. 
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stats alone are not enough, IMO - if the guy is a good postflop player, he may have 2 pair or a set here...im like 40% vpip and 17% PFR, but i know how to play postflop, and that is where the NL money is made....
my problem with this hand is we had 3 callers and 4 to the flop...that many players, someone is at least set hunting here, don't you think? Raise more preflop, yeah, but you bet the flop solid and got raised all in on the turn - This is a spot I would fold....Just because he's loose, doesn't mean he's an idiot...with that many players in the pot, its very easy to expect one of them hit the flop -
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and actually, i think the $4 re-raise preflop is a perfect amount - The short stacker raised 3x the BB, and you re-raised 2 and 1/2 times him...if that isn't enough to get 1 or maybe 2 callers, i don't know what you can do - You don't want to bet so much with your aces that you only take down the $1.50 or MAYBE the short stack re-raise all in for $11, do you? you want to encourage some action...don't we?
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Originally Posted by LimpinAintEZ
and actually, i think the $4 re-raise preflop is a perfect amount - The short stacker raised 3x the BB, and you re-raised 2 and 1/2 times him...if that isn't enough to get 1 or maybe 2 callers, i don't know what you can do - You don't want to bet so much with your aces that you only take down the $1.50 or MAYBE the short stack re-raise all in for $11, do you? you want to encourage some action...don't we?
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If you make a 2.5x raise only with hands you want action with doesnt that become incredibly readable? Would you raise any other weaker hands to mix it up?
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