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Hornsta9
Old 03-06-2006, 11:25 AM     Post subject: 5 JJ & TT hands that I need some help on! #1 (permalink)  
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Hi all,

I need some help with these hands as they seem to be costing me quite a bit. What have I done right/wrong? Whats should I have done?

I won't be offended by your comments, I hope

I didn't have any reads on anyone, Multitabling and trying to learn to read people, unsuccessfully at the moment.

Hand 1:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.00
UTG+1: $21.85
MP1: $19.00
CO: $23.05
Button: $22.80
Hero: $25.40
BB: $26.50

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J J
4 folds, Button raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $1.65, BB folds, Button raises to $3.5, Hero calls $1.85.

Flop: J 5 T ($7.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.

Turn: A ($15.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises all-in $15.3, Hero calls $5.3.

River: 6 ($45.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $45.85)


Results:
Final pot: $45.85

Hand 2:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.20
UTG+1: $23.90
Hero: $27.25
MP2: $33.25
MP3: $24.75
CO: $25.00
Button: $31.60
SB: $30.50
BB: $28.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with J J
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 5 folds, BB raises to $3.25, Hero calls $1.75.

Flop: Q 3 7 ($6.65, 2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: 3 ($12.65, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: 6 ($22.65, 2 players)
BB is all-in $17.25, Hero calls all-in $16.
Uncalled bets: $1.25 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $54.65

Hand 3:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $30.00
UTG+1: $9.60
MP1: $14.35
Hero: $20.55
MP3: $23.60
CO: $29.05
Button: $19.45
SB: $10.85
BB: $25.00

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with T T
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 5 folds, UTG raises to $3.5, Hero calls $2.

Flop: 5 A 2 ($7.4, 2 players)
UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: 9 ($15.4, 2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: 8 ($25.4, 2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Results:
Final pot: $35.4


Hand 4:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $101.65
UTG+1: $15.25
MP1: $9.75
MP2: $6.50
MP3: $14.00
CO: $23.80
Hero: $23.95
SB: $47.45
BB: $13.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with T T
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.85, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: J 7 5 ($7, 7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP1 folds, MP3 raises to $5, CO folds, Hero calls $5, 3 folds.

Turn: K ($17.25, 2 players)
MP3 is all-in $8, Hero calls $8.

River: J ($33.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $33.25)


Results:
Final pot: $33.25

Hand 5:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.80
UTG+1: $21.75
MP1: $23.20
MP2: $12.75
MP3: $60.75
CO: $30.00
Button: $32.95
SB: $28.50
Hero: $19.95

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with T T
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.1, Hero raises to $1.75, UTG calls $1.5, MP3 calls $1.5, SB calls $1.5.

Flop: 5 A J ($7, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, UTG calls $3.5, 2 folds.

Turn: Q ($14, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: 8 ($22, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG is all-in $12.55, Hero calls all-in $10.7.
Uncalled bets: $1.85 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $43.4

Thanks in advance for any help/advice/criticism. I can post the results later if anyone wants to know.
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Old 03-06-2006, 11:28 AM     Post subject: Re: 5 JJ & TT hands that I need some help on! #2 (permalink)  
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I won't be offended by your comments, I hope
You're certainly giving me a lot to work with
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Old 03-06-2006, 12:05 PM     Post subject: Re: 5 JJ & TT hands that I need some help on! #3 (permalink)  
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You're certainly giving me a lot to work with
I know. Not the best hands I have ever played I must say! Still, if I want to stop playing hands badly i need to be put straight!
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Old 03-06-2006, 12:18 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'll try to be nice!

1: NH. The re-raise call is a little loose, but not too bad. I bet the flop a LOT harder though. I want all my money in there.

2: Raise the flop to define your hand. You want to know if you are good there before it gets too expensive. As played fold that river EVERY TIME. Sometimes fold that turn.

3: Ugh. I don't like the call PF, but you have position so... OK... Fold or Raise the flop, you've gotta know if you are beat here or not. As played, Fold the turn, fold the river. He's value betting you to death with his AK...

4: PF is fine, and you are looking to hit a set. Flop call is not good. This is a raised pot, so what do you think he has that you could possibly beat here?? 99?? AK?? Gotta muck on the flop here after a minimum investment.

5: PFR is good, but not if it doesn't isolate... Slow down on that flop, you don't have to C-bet into 3 other people. Fold the turn, or re-raise. Calling is HORRIBLE here. FOLD THE RIVER! what could you possibly beat at this point??
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Hornsta9
Old 03-06-2006, 06:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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ChrisBCritter,

Thanks very much for taking the time to respond.

Everything you have said makes sense. I seem to struggle letting these hands go when I should know I am beat. I don't think there was anything I could do about Hand 1 but the rest I should have been able to get away from.

Here are the results.

Hand 1:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.00
UTG+1: $21.85
MP1: $19.00
CO: $23.05
Button: $22.80
Hero: $25.40
BB: $26.50

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J J
4 folds, Button raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $1.65, BB folds, Button raises to $3.5, Hero calls $1.85.

Flop: J 5 T ($7.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.

Turn: A ($15.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises all-in $15.3, Hero calls $5.3.

River: 6 ($45.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $45.85)


Results:
Final pot: $45.85
Button has A A
Hero has J J


Hand 2:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.20
UTG+1: $23.90
Hero: $27.25
MP2: $33.25
MP3: $24.75
CO: $25.00
Button: $31.60
SB: $30.50
BB: $28.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with J J
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 5 folds, BB raises to $3.25, Hero calls $1.75.

Flop: Q 3 7 ($6.65, 2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: 3 ($12.65, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: 6 ($22.65, 2 players)
BB is all-in $17.25, Hero calls all-in $16.
Uncalled bets: $1.25 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $54.65
BB has A A
Hero has J J


Hand 3:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $30.00
UTG+1: $9.60
MP1: $14.35
Hero: $20.55
MP3: $23.60
CO: $29.05
Button: $19.45
SB: $10.85
BB: $25.00

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with T T
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 5 folds, UTG raises to $3.5, Hero calls $2.

Flop: 5 A 2 ($7.4, 2 players)
UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: 9 ($15.4, 2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: 8 ($25.4, 2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Results:
Final pot: $35.4
UTG has J J
Hero has T T


Hand 4:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $101.65
UTG+1: $15.25
MP1: $9.75
MP2: $6.50
MP3: $14.00
CO: $23.80
Hero: $23.95
SB: $47.45
BB: $13.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with T T
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.85, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: J 7 5 ($7, 7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP1 folds, MP3 raises to $5, CO folds, Hero calls $5, 3 folds.

Turn: K ($17.25, 2 players)
MP3 is all-in $8, Hero calls $8.

River: J ($33.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $33.25)


Results:
Final pot: $33.25
MP3 has 7 7
Hero has T T


Hand 5:

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.80
UTG+1: $21.75
MP1: $23.20
MP2: $12.75
MP3: $60.75
CO: $30.00
Button: $32.95
SB: $28.50
Hero: $19.95

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with T T
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.1, Hero raises to $1.75, UTG calls $1.5, MP3 calls $1.5, SB calls $1.5.

Flop: 5 A J ($7, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, UTG calls $3.5, 2 folds.

Turn: Q ($14, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: 8 ($22, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG is all-in $12.55, Hero calls all-in $10.7.
Uncalled bets: $1.85 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $43.4
UTG has A 8
Hero has T T


Any further comments advice welcomed.

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Old 03-06-2006, 08:29 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - flopped top set, doesn't really matter how you play it he's probably not folding AA. Bad luck more than anything
Hand2 - Reraise the flop to see where you're at or fold. With his min reraise PF you have to be wary of AA/KK/QQ. Terrible river call.
Hand 3 - Too many hands that min reraise PF have you beat. You're getting no info by just calling down.
Hand 4 - 7 players and your calling a J-hi flop? Fold that shiite. PPs aren't the nuts.
Hand 5 - 4 players see a flop with 2 overs and you think TT is still good? Can't bet that flop 4-way. Check/fold. Absolutely horrible turn call and flop call is even worse. Even hands he might consider bluffs beat you.

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Old 03-06-2006, 09:03 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Yuck. Welcome to FTR, and my first words to you are.... Learn how to fold when you're beat. The sharks look for a certain type of player. It is the best kind to feast on. They look for the calling machine, the ATM. The official name for it is "loose passive". You my friend are loose passive. You call when you're ahead, and call call call when you're behind. You have a lot of work to do. I wish you luck in improving your game.

Your goal is to maximum value when you're ahead, and minimum loss when you're behind. Concentrate on that. Later on you can incorporate stealing extra value with fold equity, when to be passive or aggressive, and all the other wonderful things that make poker more complicated than you think.
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Old 03-06-2006, 10:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Appreciate your comments guys.

These hands are particularly bad, hence why I posted them. I want to learn more and see where I am going wrong. I wouldn't see myself as a calling station. Poker Tracker says I am a TP-A. Obviously these hands don't reflect that and I have a leak with overvaluing TT/JJ/AK/AQ and finding it hard to let them go. I have improved a bit with AQ/AK but still struggle with JJ & TT.

Should I be playing them like lower PP and looking for a set but raising PF?

After looking at these hands and your comments I am hoping I can plug these leaks and save myself a hell of a lot of money, about $100 overall on just these 5 hands!

Thanks again for the tip and comments. Its all helping me improve as a player.
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