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AFchung
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07-28-2009, 05:09 AM
Post subject: 4betting AK OTB gets cold called. wat.
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Full House
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Villain is 11/10 over a 20 hand sample
Folding preflop feels a bit weak against an unknown. But are we cbetting this flop? Doing so feels like major spew now that I look at this hand again
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
BB ($65.95)
UTG ($125.25)
UTG+1 ($52.75)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($45.50)
CO ($73.80)
Hero (Button) ($51.60)
SB ($64.80)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , K
5 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $6
Flop: ($20.25) 2 , 3 , 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11.75, BB calls $11.75
Turn: ($43.75) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($43.75) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $20.50, Hero folds
Total pot: $43.75 | Rake: $2.10
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Micro2Macro
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I probably just call pre..anyone disagree?
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Deanglow
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
I probably just call pre..anyone disagree?
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Yeah, I do. 4bet and get it in.
I probably play it the same. Bad players call to see a flop and check/fold when their broadways miss (including AK)
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daven
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I would bet flop smaller. Otherwise hand played fine
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bigspenda73
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read this forum, some posts are like the nittiest things ever but then you get in a spot where a tight player has a strong range and you're all advocating cbetting here.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read this forum, some posts are like the nittiest things ever but then you get in a spot where a tight player has a strong range and you're all advocating cbetting here.
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...we're all tighish pre-flop, manical post-flop now...
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if I bet the flop I bet $6 because he is going to respond to that bet 100% the same as an $11 bet
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read this forum, some posts are like the nittiest things ever but then you get in a spot where a tight player has a strong range and you're all advocating cbetting here.
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...we're all tighish pre-flop, manical post-flop now... |
you can say it, but that doesn't make it true for a lot of the advice I see given in this sub-forum
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mcatdog
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flop bet is terrible
if you must bet then bet $6 but I check
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ZwiFT
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to me this looks like a call preflop, and float 98% of flops too me
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Miffed22001
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Button vs BB battle is an insta 4bet pre - i open to $2 pre so my bet sizing is different but id basically bet like $13 on the flop which leaves a half pot turn shove.
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Call pre sometimes, 4b sometimes(I usually call pre if they are completely unknown cause getting to showdown to see what they are 3betting is pretty hot).
I don't like to bet the flop cause we have a tonne of showdown value and once again getting to showdown to see what they are calling 4bs with is pretty hawt.
Thats my 2c
Edited for: I don't think betting the flop to protect against what is 3-6outs or to try and bluff shove someone off an overpair(lol?) is pretty retarded
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Deanglow
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I don't understand you guys. We have AK against an unknown in button vs blind. I know its lol full ring but get it in
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
I don't understand you guys. We have AK against an unknown in button vs blind. I know its lol full ring but get it in
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i assume if this were an EP vs MP battle you'd think differently?
Which is what i think a lot of people are missing here...were attacking the BB
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Micro2Macro
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I can understand 4betting pre but I can't understand the cbet. It's like we've completly ignored villains range and how he will respond with that range, and here we are just trying to find a way to put more money in the pot because we have pretty cards and initiative or whatever. Betting flop/turn to get it in postflop seems bad unless we have some reads that he's going to fold a hand like QQ. I'd really lean towards checking it down here as it seems like putting any more money in the pot at this point will be spew.
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