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Old 11-04-2007, 08:43 AM     Post subject: 400NL, 2 Hands in succession #1 (permalink)  
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Backstory: I've been doing really well lately and like I posted in my operation thread, I took a shot at 400NL, lost a buyin and called it quits. Today I decided to climb back on the horse, fire up more tables than before, and see how many hands I could run through in an hour (also testing VPP/hr for 9 tables).

So 400NL is aggressive..lots of 3-betting preflop going on. The villain in this hand I have no stats or history on other than what I've seen in the past few minutes. I'm somewhere in the second orbit of the session when this hand comes up:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG+1 ($313.85)
MP1 ($400)
MP2 ($390)
MP3 ($65.60)
Hero ($394)
Button ($160.35)
SB ($1359.95)
BB ($80)
UTG ($915)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
5 folds, Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, SB calls $14, 1 fold.

Flop: ($36) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($36) (2 players)
SB bets $24, Hero calls $24.

River: ($84) (2 players)
SB bets $376, Hero calls $354 (All-In).

Final Pot: $792

Results in white below:
SB has 3c 4d (one pair, threes).
Hero has Kh Td (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins $792. SB wins $22.

I tanked for the river about 5 seconds. Then I look into the hand histories for the table and see he's won about 18 of the last 20 hands or so, can see no way he's overbetting with a flush, pray and call that I'm not an idiot. I'm good.

This is the very next hand. The villain says "gc" in chat while the cards are being dealt and I say "thanks", like I usually do. During the hand...after my raise the villain pushes INSTANTLY, almost the blink of an eye. If Stars had an all-in button, it was just used.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($313.85)
UTG+1 ($400)
MP1 ($390)
MP2 ($65.60)
Hero ($789)
CO ($160.35)
Button ($965.95)
SB ($76)
BB ($915)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , .
2 folds, MP1 raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $44, 1 fold, Button raises to $965.95, 2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero goes back into the tank...

Is this a call? Is this an INSTA-call, with the prior information given? What range of hands would you call with?
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:24 PM #2 (permalink)  
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If people are 3-betting a lot pre-flop, then consider a smaller opener.
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:54 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 In the link in my thread I give a link to a 2+2 thread that will give you the VPP/hand info you're looking for.
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Oh, and I would fold hand 2 then re-think if I like my seat.
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Well, I'm sure that based off of the information giving the EV-calculation probably comes out in your favor, but I (Captain wide-set vajayjay) almost certainly fold without a better read on his play.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:10 PM #6 (permalink)  
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If it helps I had almost exactly this scenario last night, where I doubled up through a double-stacked lagg to my left with a set. Next time we play a hand, I get AA, and he 3-bets me pre-flop. Better believe the dude was getting it all in - with ATo...
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:35 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 i would fold hand two since you are taking a shot.

If i were a reg in the game and wanted to make a plus ev play, i'd call in a heartbeat for sure.

Also I would fold hand 1. I think this is a flush a shit load.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:43 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Dude fold hand 1 like instantly, opp should really bet twice the pot here though if he wants to bluff like this.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I mean, the guy is playing every pot possible and running over the table...these are both really folds?
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:33 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 I think hand 1 is really awful without reads.

Hand 2 I think is a call, but definitely not a snap wtf call. AK and QQ+ are all I'm calling with here.
 
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:58 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 is pretty easy versus the right donk and with a decent read.
2 is an easy fold. If we have any sort of edge in this game why make big preflop calls with lots of variance when we can get it all in after the flop with a huge edge?
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