Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Full Ring NL Hold'em

  > 

4-bet: How big is yours?

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
HiLo
Old 02-06-2008, 03:01 PM     Post subject: 4-bet: How big is yours? #1 (permalink)  
HiLo's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 250
HiLo
I lead out for 4xbb in EP, opp in LP raises to 12xbb, everyone else has folded, it comes back to me and I decide I want to 4-bet....

How much would be standard if stacks are 100bb deep. Does this change according to our hand and our reads on opp etc? Does this change when stacks are 200bb deep? If so, why?
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
pgil
Old 02-06-2008, 03:11 PM #2 (permalink)  
Full House

Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,103
pgil
I would say that it depends on all of those things. If we want to get stacks in and think opp has a hand that he would get stacks in, but won't really like it when he does (eq. QQ), then a raise that will commit him pf will usually elicit a push over from a tighter player (this is the 100bb stacks BTW). They have finally gotten their big hand and won't want to let it go pf. They will know that they can't just call off half of their stack pf, so they will push over rather than fold.

EG. Villain in this hand is 8/7. I have been running about 18/13 at this table. We haven't really gotten involved. His raise sizing and the relative position made me think JJ-KK for his likely holding. I tried to raise enough so that his best option is folding, his next best is pushing, and his worst option is calling. I don't think he can fold this pf, and I am pretty sure that he knows he can't flat call here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($100.75)
MP2 ($64.55)
CO ($139.35)
Button ($50.30)
SB ($117.65)
BB ($189.65)
Hero ($134.95)
UTG+1 ($138.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 raises to $10, 5 folds, SB (poster) folds, Hero raises to $44, UTG+1 raises to $138.4, Hero calls $90.95 (All-In).

Final Pot: $274.35

outcome: opp has QQ.

I don't usually 4-bet bluff so I have no idea what the standard would be.
"If you can't say f*ck, you can't say f*ck the government" - Lenny Bruce
 
Reply With Quote
HiLo
Old 02-06-2008, 04:23 PM #3 (permalink)  
HiLo's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 250
HiLo
good reply thanks pgil -
What would you have done if the stacks were 250bb deep?
Reply With Quote
noble007
Old 02-07-2008, 01:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
noble007's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: London
Posts: 531
noble007
As far as I know the std is to 4bet 2.5x villians 3bet in position.
(Add a bit more if oop or 110bb+ stacks)

This is big enough to give guy incorrect pot odds to set hunt but small enough to use as a bluff occassionally (against habitual 3bettors etc.)
Currently thinking of a new quote/signature... Some sort of prayer to the Poker gods for enlightment etc..
 
Reply With Quote
BankItDrew
Old 02-07-2008, 02:12 AM #5 (permalink)  
BankItDrew's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
BankItDrew will become famous soon enough
 when i want to get it all in on the flop i make it at least one fifth more of villains potential profit.This induces mistakes from every hand weaker than mine, aside from QQ vs AK, JJ vs overs etc.


Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!

Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?

Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
 
Reply With Quote
XTR1000
Old 02-07-2008, 02:21 PM #6 (permalink)  
XTR1000's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2006
Location: surfing in a room
Posts: 2,188
XTR1000 is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to XTR1000
3bets at my tables are usually 14-15BB.

4bet size depends if I´m planning to commit or not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred View Post
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
yo
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:40 PM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.