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Old 02-25-2009, 11:52 PM     Post subject: A 3betting experiment #1 (permalink)  
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I've noticed that when there is one loose raiser and one caller, often times when someone else 3bets over them, they both tend to fold very often. So I've started to experimenting with this idea. here is what I've come up with. (Maybe this is called a squeeze, but I'm not sure. At any rate, I think its helpful for me to think it through.)


Situation:

HJ (22/18) Raises to $1.
CO (19/11) Calls 1$.
HERO has A9o and Raises to $4.

SB and BB fold.

I'm only thinking of the preflop consequences in this situation.

For HERO break even (slightly positive), he has to take this pot down 63% of the time.

When HERO wins = +2.35
When HERO loses = -4.00

Over 100 hands: (for the sake of percentages)

WIN: 2.35 x 63 wins = 148.05
LOSS: 4.00 x 37 loses = (-)148.00
......................................+0.05

I think if you target the correct opponents, this becomes fairly profitable with marginal hands. Now I haven't firgured out which villian to target yet, but I think I would consider the "Fold to 3bet" and "Fold to cbet%" all along side the Vpip/PFR. The bigger the PFR, the better.

And some foward thinking about the flop:

Once you've 3bet, you're repping a narrow and huge range, so most opponents will fold to even a whimpy cbet on most textures.


So what are your thoughts and criticisms?
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:16 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i wrote a long reply and accidentally deleted it. yes this is a squeeze, have fun.
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cool, anywhere advice on where to find some good analysis of it? I've tried googling to, but it seems that all of the articles have to do with tournament play.


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One of the first posts from Sauce123 (do not remember exactly his name) targeted this concept. I will try to find it and give you the name of the topic.

Preflop:

You need to make BOTH fold 63% of the time or more. This can be Fold Equity of 100% versus villain 1 and 63% versus villain 2, or any other combination which makes both fold 63%+. I am not sure, but if we have around 85 % FE versus each villain our combined FE is 70%. This I need to do some research on.

Postflop: As you said we have tremendous FE post flop because our range is super strong in villains mind and we can probably make this move profitable with less combined FE than 63%. However, villains calling range is also strong and as you said we need to consider many factors.

I will find that topic now.
EDIT: Here you go!
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ez-t50924.html
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SWEET!!!! much thanks Sir Pawnalot!


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