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bigred
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02-26-2009, 04:58 PM
Post subject: 3bet donking
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So I've been playing FR 100NL for a little while now and there's a few regs who I've been getting involved with 3bet wars. The reason being that these guys are instaqueeze 11-15% 3betters. While a 3bet percentage that high may not be a leak when a lot of the deep tables (50min bb) are so passive, these guys tend to near full pot bet almost everytime. How am I looking to exploit this IP and OOP?
Typical pf and flop goes raise 4x, villain 3bet to 14x, 22-30bb CB from villain.
Oh, I also don't 3bet a ton. So it's rarely me 3betting them.
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... bluff 4bet would seem logical, right? Especially with your image, it would seem ideal to shove over them marginally when you know they're squeezing...
But don't actually listen to me, I don't play these stakes.
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ZwiFT
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Alot of people disagree with me never to 4bet. I take advantage of this in position calling and calling their cbet to maximize what i take away from the light 3bettor. It also creates a balance from when i have a hand.
OOP i never do anything against a 3bettor unless i have the nuts=(nuts vs his range).
Getting of that table is also a something you should have in mind
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mcatdog
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Well not a complete list but here's some things you could try.
-Stop raising quite so many hands, maybe cut out the bottom 20% of your opening range.
-Autoshove 22-TT and AK-AQ if you raise in late position and one of these guys 3bets you.
-Call with JJ-AA and raise their auto-cbet allin on most flops.
-Call with KQ, AJs, KJs, QJs and raise their auto-cbet allin anytime you flop at least a pair, flush draw, gutter, or overs with a backdoor flushdraw. Fold if you flop absolutely nothing.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by ZwiFT
Alot of people disagree with me never to 4bet. I take advantage of this in position calling and calling their cbet to maximize what i take away from the light 3bettor. It also creates a balance from when i have a hand.
OOP i never do anything against a 3bettor unless i have the nuts=(nuts vs his range).
Getting of that table is also a something you should have in mind
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I disagree with this post nearly 100%.
There are a lot of hands, such as small pairs, that are not possible to play profitably by calling, but by 4-betting or just shoving, you can show a profit. Seems like a huge waste of money to just fold all these hands just to "balance" the few times you actually have a big pair.
Playing against really light 3-bettors is one of the hardest things in poker to learn. I don't disagree that you should leave the table if you have no idea how to do it, but once you get the hang of it you can take their money a lot faster than you could at a table full of nits. Leaving the table isn't a great idea if you want to challenge yourself to get better at poker.
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St8ofN8
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
Well not a complete list but here's some things you could try.
-Stop raising quite so many hands, maybe cut out the bottom 20% of your opening range.
-Autoshove 22-TT and AK-AQ if you raise in late position and one of these guys 3bets you.
-Call with JJ-AA and raise their auto-cbet allin on most flops.
-Call with KQ, AJs, KJs, QJs and raise their auto-cbet allin anytime you flop at least a pair, flush draw, gutter, or overs with a backdoor flushdraw. Fold if you flop absolutely nothing.
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I agree with this post. Definitely cut down on raising.
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Sprayed
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If your stats for stealing are fairly high and your fold to 3bet% is high, then that is why you are being beat-up on by the regs. I would tighten my stealing range and start 4beting similar to what mcat stated. I like to have stats like 3bet%, fold to steal, fold to 3bet, and steal % in opponent's HUD. Also, I have found that 4xbb on button is not necessary. A min raise does just fine.
Since you stated that you don't 3bet much, you should try to increase your 3bet % from blinds and lp against folks that are stealing too much and fold too much to 3bets.
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Sprayed
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
-Call with KQ, AJs, KJs, QJs and raise their auto-cbet allin anytime you flop at least a pair, flush draw, gutter, or overs with a backdoor flushdraw. Fold if you flop absolutely nothing.
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