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Deanglow
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07-17-2009, 05:09 PM
Post subject: 300k hands tell me whats up (updated)
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Here are some more stats. Flame away
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you messed up your pic, there's a black splotch over your winnings
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Illfavor
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Originally Posted by iopq
you messed up your pic, there's a black splotch over your losses
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Ich grolle nicht...
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daven
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what's up is that i would like to see your
1) position stats - the full ring custom version (incl 3-bet and steal)
2) aggression frequency by street
3) your cbet and fold to cbet stats
what's up is that this is a timely reminder that I don't have to be all LAG wannabe
This looks like classic, solid nit stats for someone who plays a bunch of tables, doesn't push too thin edges, and plays a solid ABC game. Your W$WSF and W$SD combo (both fairly high) also means that you read lines/ranges well. This should be fairly low variance, but i think that it will get harder and harder to make good $ with this style as the player pool evolves.
to be honest, I was surprised that you're so tight. But then I remember that any style played well can win at a solid rate.
It's interesting though, as the recent tendency is towards so many full ring regs aiming to be the 17-14 king of iso/3-bet situations, suffering for it for a while, then coming out the other side with loads of new leaks....
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Originally Posted by Illfavor
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Originally Posted by iopq
you messed up your pic, there's a black splotch over your losses
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOL OH MAN I LOLED
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I damage threads that may actually benefit some posters
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Deanglow
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fwiw these may or may not be winning stats....
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badgers
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ptr is fun
I presume you make money by playing the fish well and letting overaggressive/ retarded regs (like me) spew into you, you handread well etc. I'm surprised at your stats also and like daven it's a reminder that I don't need to open up too much in order to progress, just focus on playing the hands I do play as well as poss. ty for sharing i guess
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3k post - Return of the blog!
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spoonitnow
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3-bet is on your report twice.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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jyms
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Can you actually win at FR with these stats? It seems to me this is just make great hands and bet the hell out of them, play mostly from the last two or three positions, fold to any aggression and wait.
This is not a shot, I am truly ignorant to FR. Are they still that bad at FR's higher stakes to allow someone to play this tight and win?
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spoonitnow
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Also I'd be interested in seeing your turn and river cbet numbers.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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holy shit these are the most uninteresting stats I've ever seen
do we really need to know how much do you PFR unopened?
where's turn cbet, river cbet, turn fold vs. cbet, river fold vs. cbet, flop raise cbet, flop raise fold
I would also say 4b fold, but it's obviously like 0
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daven
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No screaming leaks. There may be some tiny adjustments you could make, but I wouldn't bother unless results are suggesting that you need to. Feels like the wrong person asking/giving advice here. I may post a similar thread shortly for my last ten days/40k hands.
You cbet more often than most, but maybe that's cos your ranges are stronger than most in post-flop situations.
You float more than i suggest is ideal, but i guess that given it's almost always in position and with decent reads/understanding of board vs opponent's range, then meh.
Interesting that your steal is so much higher from the button than from cutoff, are regs button 3-betting CO steals that wide? I prefer CO steal to be higher than SB steal cos of position, less obviously a steal, less likely to run into difficulties.
Your general stats also suggest that you could iso more, but maybe there are less uber-fish/gotta isolate! types floating in your pool.
Given your general style, you could 3-bet more. I think you'd get respect/folds more often than people playing back. Especially on the button vs CO steal situations.
I can't read much into the aggression factor stats cos i always look at aggression frequency instead.
I wonder if I could play 13-10 for a while? I used to just fine, but now when i feel like playing a tight session it ends up being 15-12.... stoopid fooz
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Deanglow
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Originally Posted by iopq
holy shit these are the most uninteresting stats I've ever seen
do we really need to know how much do you PFR unopened?
where's turn cbet, river cbet, turn fold vs. cbet, river fold vs. cbet, flop raise cbet, flop raise fold
I would also say 4b fold, but it's obviously like 0
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lol are you serious?
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mxiu
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im curious to see your non-showdown winnings.
you win a lot at showdown, but dont seem to get there very often. 3-bet seems pretty tight... seems like JJ+/AK, exploitable?
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AFchung
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that 3bet stat is like KK+ and sometimes AK. i use to 3bet only KK/AA and throw an occassional QQ or AK and it'd be around 2.5
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by AFchung
that 3bet stat is like KK+ and sometimes AK. i use to 3bet only KK/AA and throw an occassional QQ or AK and it'd be around 2.5
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Or he could be flatting AA/KK and 3-betting mostly bluffs.
BUM BUM BUM!!!
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pokerfan
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your W$WSF is very impressive. A little bit lower 3 bet% indicates that you flat a lot for deception value which i think should be optimal in high stake FR games. I prefer Flop cbet% to be around 66%(80% might be exploitable to some extent). Anyways, i do think that 13/10/3 is a winning FR stat if you play massive tables.
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Deanglow
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by AFchung
that 3bet stat is like KK+ and sometimes AK. i use to 3bet only KK/AA and throw an occassional QQ or AK and it'd be around 2.5
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Or he could be flatting AA/KK and 3-betting mostly bluffs.
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I still 3bet mostly for value but they don't know that
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
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Originally Posted by iopq
holy shit these are the most uninteresting stats I've ever seen
do we really need to know how much do you PFR unopened?
where's turn cbet, river cbet, turn fold vs. cbet, river fold vs. cbet, flop raise cbet, flop raise fold
I would also say 4b fold, but it's obviously like 0
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lol are you serious? |
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Fnord
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Are they still that bad at FR's higher stakes to allow someone to play this tight and win?
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He's not playing that tight. Too often someone gets delt a real hand in 8, 9 and *gasp* 10 way hold'em.
We get away with playing more hands in live games because our opponents play even more hands and play them very badly.
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Deanglow
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here is my showdown v nonshowdown winnings graph:
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yes, but which one is positive??
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daven
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thanks for posting those stats deanglow. I moved back up yesterday, and decided to take note and tighten up some. Not quite as tight as the stats above, but still dropping 4% of hands that were probably fairly marginal and causing more difficulty than i think they were worth.
Anyway, it's going fairly well. Chur.
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