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DogOnMySide

10-03-2005, 11:02 AM Post subject: 3 recent hands and a few questions

#1 (permalink)

Flush

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Location: Manchester, UK

Posts: 458

HAND 1...
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($36.13)
SB ($19.43)
BB ($25.09)
Hero ($23.29)
MP ($5.20)
CO ($36.07)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, K

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.25) K

, 5

, Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB calls $1.

Turn: ($4.25) J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $6 .....

Hero ???

What I did is in white below.

Hero calls $3.

River: ($16.25) Ac
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $22.25

SB has Jc Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has Ah Kc (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $22.25.

I consider this a misplayed win. I didn't think he had the made flush, hence the call, but didn't see myself as far behind... Not only did he have the better hand, but also a better draw.

Would you have dumped the hand? Or played harder after the flop?

HAND 2
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($6.50)
UTG+1 ($30.10)
UTG+2 ($89.20)
MP1 ($25.30)
MP2 ($25.90)
MP3 ($26.55)
CO ($11.75)
Button ($20.40)
SB ($38)
Hero ($16.97)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

, 9

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 8 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.60) 8

, K

, 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.6, UTG calls $0.60.

Turn: ($1.80) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, UTG calls $5.65 (All-In), Hero calls $3.90.

River: ($13.10) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $13.10

Results in white below:
Hero has 4c 9c (flush, king high).
UTG has Ks Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $13.10.

Okay so a classic "villain tries to trap with cowboys and gets outdrawn"... i'm not concerened about that - i would have folded to a pre-flop raise. My question is more whether my call with a crappy low flush was correct. I was thinking i was paying off a higher flush at the time!

HAND 3

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($49.95)
Button ($53.35)
Hero ($25.25)
BB ($14.45)
UTG ($37.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5

, 5

. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.50) 4

, Q

, 5

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.5, BB folds, UTG raises to $2, Hero raises to $5, UTG calls $3.

Turn: ($11.50) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10.

River: ($31.50) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $10,

Hero ????

Again, Results in white below:
Hero "well if you have the flush then youre mad"
Hero calls $9.75 (All-In).

Final Pot: $51.25

Hero has 5c 5d (three of a kind, fives).
UTG has Qh Kh (flush, ace high).
Outcome: UTG wins $51.25.

I know this is just a bad call and a bit of a bad beat, but... could I have done much more to stop the draw? I was angry with myself for calling his river bet, but thought i'd done enough to kill the flush draw and therefore it was an attempt to steal. Would you have pushed on the turn maybe?

Thanks for reading. Any comments appreciated.

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biondino

10-03-2005, 11:56 AM

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4-of-a-Kind

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If it helps I'd have lost all three of these hands: my moves would have been fold, fold, push.

Rondavu

10-03-2005, 01:37 PM

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4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jan 2005

Posts: 3,053

The first hand I fold to the initial raise on the turn, since it looks like two pair or better. No reason to pay off what you know is ahead. Nice suckout.

Third hand I push the turn. When someone slightly raises you on the flop with position, then when reraised they call, it's normally a draw. When you're sitting on a set, there's no reason to even take the chance. Push all in on the turn.

This is one thing I don't see enough players do is put an opponent on a draw and drop the hammer HARD.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

PokerPatNEU

10-03-2005, 01:58 PM

#4 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Mar 2005

Posts: 797

In hand 3 i think 10$ into a 12$ pot on the turn is dropping the hammer pretty hard. Maybe the full 12$ pot sized bet would be a little better. I think either of those bets have more value than pushing all 20$ into the 12$ pot and letting villain fold easily if he is on the draw though. With him being the pre flop raiser, by the turn he could easily be holding AQ, KQ, KK, AA, etc here as well. I think this hand is played fine.

Hand 1 is a little worse. You have TPTK on a really dangerous board for hands that call raises pre flop. KQ, KJ, JQs, AT, Ad with K/Q/J all look reasonable here for villain, and he check raised you on the turn. Any hands that you are ahead of, you're barely ahead...and any hand that you're behind, you are way behind or drawing dead.

#2 I have some issues with on the flop. You're out of position, and you over bet the pot on your draw. If you miss on the turn, you are gonna have to make a pretty significantly outside-of-your-odds sized bet to keep yourself in this hand to see the river so you don't risk villain coming over the top of you if you look weak. I usually only lead out with my draws when i'm in position, or if i was the pre flop raiser (AQ/KQ sutied picking up a flush draw, or something like that) and don't mind taking the pot down right there.

DogOnMySide

10-03-2005, 10:04 PM

#5 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Apr 2005

Location: Manchester, UK

Posts: 458

Interesting comments, thanks.

I need to remember the "push on the turn" move. I'm pretty aggressive in general, but rarely push AI when a non-AI big bet will do. Don't know if it has the same effect on people tho.

Hand 1 was a poor play, i didn't put him on KJ for sure. I think its more important to study hands like this than the bad beat on hand 3, cos this would have lost me money usually.

4/1 favourite on flop, but i gave him a bit worse than 3/1 odds to call
4/1 dog on the turn, and i called when my pot odds were 3/13... which is nearly 1 in 4. So I dont think its a terrible call, just a bad one.

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