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Old 05-19-2010, 05:16 AM     Post subject: 3 quick & dirty hands- 50NL #1 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1:

Villain was playing 16/12 over ~100 and had a 73% flop c-bet 78% turn c-bet

I'm really just looking for a range estimate for him on the river since I had trouble putting him on a hand since I figured he should basically be double barreling close to 100% of his flop c-betting range on the turn, and when he bet riv it didn't make much sense to me...


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UTG+1 ($57.80)
MP1 ($56.35)
Hero (MP2) ($50)
MP3 ($71.90)
CO ($21.50)
Button ($51.05)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($67.55)
UTG ($50.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with ,
2 folds, MP1 bets $2, Hero calls $2, 5 folds

Flop: ($4.75) , , (2 players)
MP1 bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($10.75) (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($10.75) (2 players)
MP1 bets $5.50, Hero folds

Hand 2:

Villain here plays 16/9 with a 80% fold to 3B over 1K

I figured his range is prob somewhere around 99+ AQ+ after he called my 3B and wasn't sure if I should be c-betting this flop. When the turn hit I figured he may call a bet with a lot of his drawing hands and wasn't really prepared to fire river if I didn't improve...

So should I be betting anywhere here post?

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SB ($26)
BB ($80.70)
UTG ($46)
UTG+1 ($52.25)
MP1 ($56.25)
MP2 ($21.25)
CO ($50)
Hero (Button) ($51.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with ,
4 folds, CO bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, CO calls $3

Flop: ($9.75) , , (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.75) (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.75) (2 players)
CO bets $4.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $9.75 | Rake: $0.45

Hand 3:

Villain here was playing 32/10 with a 0% 3B from sb, 2% 3 bet overall over 131 hands

He is repping basically Q-10, 55, AQ, KQ maybe AQ/AK. I rarely believe I'm up against 10-10 or QQ due to pre.

My question is should I be looking to 3B this flop/get it in (b/c I'm having trouble giving much strength to his range when he c/r's this board, seems kind of fishy) or is calling better b/c I'm getting decent pot odds, good implied odds, plus the fact that I'm not sure he won't stack off with AK/AQ here...



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UTG ($52.15)
UTG+1 ($38)
MP1 ($72.50)
MP2 ($60.25)
MP3 ($71.90)
Hero (CO) ($53.30)
Button ($70.35)
SB ($102.80)
BB ($50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
5 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $5, Hero ???


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Old 05-19-2010, 10:57 PM #2 (permalink)  
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H1 - hero tanks on river and folds to a pair of 9s. Seriously though, I'd expect him to barrel the turn on his nut hands here but river bet looks like a value bet and I don't think he'd do this with anything you beat.

H2 - his range is solid here after calling the 3bet. i like the 3bet pre though. I guess you could bet the flop here for like $7 to fold out AK/AQ (if he'll fold, i dunno).

H3 - if shipping with a draw is your thing, then go for it. i like a 3bet better than a call, but that's just me.
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Old 05-20-2010, 04:17 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 h2 I hate your 3bet so much don't do this
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 hand 1 is fine fold river obviously
hand 2 bet the flop usually but this isn't horrible
hand 3 easy bet/call on the flop
 
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Old 05-21-2010, 02:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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h2 I hate your 3bet so much don't do this
Is this b/c you think the immediate EV of my 3Bet is not as great as this hands ability to extract postflop in position?


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For hand 2, what do we think about checking flop, betting turn and then checking behind river?

Reasoning being, we flopped a pair, but its really not good enough to value bet. On the turn, the 3rd heart + straight card comes in which is going to give villain a LOT of draws that he'll call at least one bet with. And then obviously on the river we check behind because we don't want to value town ourselves.

The only problem is we'd need a read that villain wouldn't c/r a draw on the turn, and that he wouldn't lead river after calling a turn bet.

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Is this b/c you think the immediate EV of my 3Bet is not as great as this hands ability to extract postflop in position?
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For hand 2, what do we think about checking flop, betting turn and then checking behind river?
This can't be that bad since he will almost never have a flush/set/KQ once he checks flop and turn, and there are plenty of combos that he can have which we currently have beat at the moment, plus we still have nut hands in our range when we bet. I don't know too many players who c/r the turn in this spot with nut hands or draws.

As far as him leading the river ( I assume you meant as a bluff? ) it is a 3bet pot and people tend to play more straight forward I wouldn't expect him to all of a sudden bluff... so if he leads it's an easy fold if we don't improve.


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Hand 1 - looks a lot like KQ or KK for villian.
Hand 2 - if you are going to 3bet this hand, you gotta cbet on this flop.
Hand 3 - seems bad to 3b/get it in when we have position. also, a 2% 3bettor would flat 1010 pre here and probably QQ.
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