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DaNutsInYoEye

11-17-2007, 01:22 AM Post subject: 3 bluffs

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No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed)

UTG ($289)
UTG+1 ($394.15)
MP1 ($48.80)
MP2 ($525.20)
MP3 ($308)
Hero ($400)
Button ($928.45)
SB ($432.35)
BB ($212.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, 9

.
5 folds, Hero raises to $15, Button calls $15, 2 folds.

Flop: ($36) 2

, A

, 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $24, Button calls $24.

Turn: ($84) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $28, Hero raises to $94, Button calls $74.

River: ($272) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $267 (All-In), Button folds.

Final Pot: $272

No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed)

MP2 ($837.20)
CO ($436.85)
Button ($307.60)
SB ($182)
Hero ($633.15)
UTG ($200.10)
UTG+1 ($364.10)
MP1 ($643.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
4 folds, CO raises to $14, 1 fold, SB calls $12, Hero raises to $56, CO raises to $140, SB folds, Hero calls $84.

Flop: ($294)

(2 players)
Hero bets $493.15 (All-In), CO folds.

Final Pot: $199.15

$3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $483
UTG+2: $111
MP1: $2,479.50
MP2: $592.50
CO: $600
Hero (BTN): $647
SB: $570
BB: $122
UTG: $619.35

CO posts $3
Pre-Flop: A

dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $24, 5 folds, Hero raises to $78, 2 folds, UTG calls $54

Flop: ($168) 3

(2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $122, UTG calls $122

Turn: ($412) 5

(2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $447 and is All-In, UTG folds

Results: $412 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero mucked A Q and WON $409 (+$209 NET)

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wufwugy

11-17-2007, 02:14 AM

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I'm assuming all players are generic grinders or wannabe grinders.

1. Looks like he has a pair and a FD on turn.

2. You're probably very tough to play against.

3. Looks like you have AA. What you think of UTG is paramount.

I can't beat 2/4 for much, though. Probably because I'm not aggro enough.

XTR1000

11-17-2007, 06:06 PM

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wow, I lose loads of chips when I try to pull off moves like this.

Would you mind to explain your thinking process in hand 2?

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Deanglow

11-17-2007, 08:29 PM

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Asking for advice on these types of hands is useless when you post results. I guess these are just brags because you don't even ask a question or post stats/reads.

wufwugy

11-17-2007, 08:40 PM

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Posting results is fine. Knowing the results shouldn't alter our analyses since we're not results oriented.

DaNutsInYoEye

11-17-2007, 11:41 PM

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I really don't post much but the other day I noticed Renton's poll and his comment about trying to increase content, traffic, etc. to the FR forum and I thought it was a good idea. I rarely post hands for the purpose of soliciting advice (problem of mine). I thought I'd post some hands more to possibly get some discussion going or provoke some thoughts. Any comments are definately welcomed and appreciated though.

As far as stats go, I don't use a HUD when I play. I find them distracting and I think I get a good enough idea of people's ranges by observing their play. I'm constantly looking in the instant HH as I play to see what people are showing down. I think more people would be better off doing this and developing their own idea of how someone is playing rather than being a slave to a HUD. HUDs are great for giving you an idea of how someone has played in the past but they fall short when it comes to how someone is playing RIGHT NOW. A HUD isn't going to tell you the adjustments people are making to your current play or be very useful if they're tilting or otherwise deviating from how they usually play. You're only going to get that through observation. Large chunks of my profit are from 1) total morons and 2) regulars that are significantly off their game. The rest of the time it's just grinding it out against the regs and their generally predictable play. For 1 and 2 HUDs aren't particularly useful and in fact will often give you the wrong information and the rest of the time I've found that generic reads suffice. /end rant on HUDs

Hand 3. All the below hands are against the same villain as in hand 3. Villain and I were going at it for awhile across multiple tables. He and I were both playing pretty aggressively PF and if you look at individual hands, many of them are spewy. Villain consistently continued his aggression/over aggression through the hand while I typically toned it down post-flop. Villain didn't seem to notice though and I tried to give him enough reason to continue thinking that by bluffing enough post-flop or at least giving the impression that I might be. Overall I think it went well. Although he came out ahead money wise, I generally got my money in better which is all you can ask for.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($700.95)
Hero ($1524.20)
SB ($594)
BB ($648)
UTG ($271.20)
UTG+1 ($648)
MP1 ($766.80)
MP2 ($264)
MP3 ($717)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4

, 4

.
6 folds, Hero raises to $22, 1 fold, BB raises to $84, Hero raises to $212, BB raises to $654, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $427

Results below:
No showdown. BB wins $427.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($600)
Hero ($600)
UTG+1 ($174)
MP1 ($450.05)
MP2 ($600)
MP3 ($1169.45)
CO ($591)
Button ($482.65)
SB ($630)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

.
Hero raises to $21, 3 folds, MP3 calls $21, 2 folds, SB raises to $84, 1 fold, Hero calls $63, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($195)

(2 players)
SB bets $120, Hero calls $120.

Turn: ($435)

(2 players)
SB bets $426 (All-In), Hero calls $396 (All-In).

River: ($1227)

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1227

Results below:
SB has Td Js (two pair, queens and jacks).
Hero has 9d 9s (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: SB wins $1257.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP1 ($636)
MP2 ($611.10)
CO ($582)
Button ($641.85)
SB ($585)
BB ($637)
Hero ($816.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

.
Hero raises to $22, MP1 raises to $78, 5 folds, Hero raises to $816.4, MP1 calls $558 (All-In).

Flop: ($1281)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($1281)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1281)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1281

Results below:
Hero has Kc Ad (one pair, fives).
MP1 has Qd Qc (two pair, queens and fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins $1281. Hero wins $180.40.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($735.95)
Hero ($1079.20)
SB ($957.05)
BB ($610.45)
UTG ($388.20)
UTG+1 ($606)
MP1 ($354)
MP2 ($648)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

.
4 folds, CO calls $6, Hero raises to $26, 1 fold, BB calls $20, CO calls $20.

Flop: ($81)

(3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $54, BB calls $54, CO folds.

Turn: ($189)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($189)

(2 players)
BB bets $126, Hero raises to $348, BB calls $222.

Final Pot: $885

Results below:
BB has Td 8d (one pair, tens).
Hero has Kh Th (flush, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins $885.

Hand 2. I was 12-tabling and villain was on pretty much on all my tables. He generally folds to 3-bets too much so I was being pretty relentless. A little before this hand you could tell he had decided he wasn't going to take the abuse any more when began calling some of my 3-bets and occasionally 4-betting. Fine by me because he hardly ever plays this way and was probably out of his comfort zone doing so. He's also like most regs in that he plays way too passively post-flop, both missing a lot of value and generally folding too much. At this point I haven't showed down less than a premium hand in a 3-bet+ pot so I think he still gives me some credibility although he's obviously becoming suspicious. When this hand came up it was partly a combination of me not wanting to give him free reign to 4-bet me and a lot of it was based on timing. I just didn't feel he had a premium hand so I made the decision to call and I was pushing most flops if I got a piece of it (pair, flush draw, gutter, etc). Again, I just didn't think he had a huge hand but even if he had an overpair I still have some equity. Also this guy is a regular. I was planning on playing a longer session and even if I didn't I knew I'd run into him again sometime else. From a meta-game perspective I don't mind showing down 2,4s in a 4-bet pot. If he folds I show which I rarely do.

This hand happened about 6-7 minutes later against the same guy on a different table. Maybe he stacks off here without prior history or maybe he doesn't. He called the turn pretty quickly though. Against anyone else I definately think he at least gives it more thought.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP2 ($138)
MP3 ($243)
CO ($181)
Hero ($400)
SB ($1104.65)
BB ($555.30)
UTG ($724.30)
UTG+1 ($419.20)
MP1 ($278.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $14, 1 fold, MP2 calls $14, 2 folds, Hero calls $14, 1 fold, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($58)

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $38, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $108, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $70.

Turn: ($274)

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $278 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $278.

River: ($0)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $830

Results below:
UTG+1 has As Kd (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ac Ts (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $830.

Hand 1. No real history here but I thought villain was somewhat tight. I essentially just thought he was weak and the rest was timing tells. He insta-called the turn and I put him on something like Ax or a pair+FD. If another heart comes on the river I probably check and hope to show my 9h down. Based on what I had seen of him up to this point I didn't think he was a major CS and I don't think it's an easy call for most people with Ax. My hand had no SD value and I thought pushing was believable.

As a note, these hands aren't typical for me. Most of the time my play is straight forward with a little bit of trickery thrown in. I posted them because they aren't typical. You're right though that with the excpetion of hand 1, they're opponent specific and not particularly interesting without me posting reads.

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Vi-Zer0Skill

11-18-2007, 03:52 AM Post subject: Re: 3 bluffs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaNutsinYoEye

No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed)

MP2 ($837.20)
CO ($436.85)
Button ($307.60)
SB ($182)
Hero ($633.15)
UTG ($200.10)
UTG+1 ($364.10)
MP1 ($643.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
4 folds, CO raises to $14, 1 fold, SB calls $12, Hero raises to $56, CO raises to $140, SB folds, Hero calls $84.

Flop: ($294)

(2 players)
Hero bets $493.15 (All-In), CO folds.

This is such an awesome hand. How many times did you let him 4bet you during this session before you did this?

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Originally Posted by Carroters

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Vi-Zer0Skill

11-18-2007, 04:04 AM

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i suppose you can't really pick and choose your spots in 4bet pots, but i'd think it would be practical to wait for a stronger suited connector or A-xs to do this if he were 4betting you light enough to make you feel this play would be profitable (small criticism though obv)

you were going to shove any non Ace/King flop right? Or did you want to at least flop a backdoor draw?

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Originally Posted by Carroters

Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

Renton

11-18-2007, 04:36 AM

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dnuts, i think its pretty naive to think you can call the 4bet profitably in the 42 hand, and on this flop he only folded because you outflopped him.

cool hand though

Renton

11-18-2007, 04:39 AM

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the first hand (j9), i find that no one folds to c/r bluffs anymore, especially on this board, and especially when he knows he's betting a weak amount. River is probably standard given turn.

third hand (AQ), i think a flop check is superior a vast % of the time, but if you bet the flop you basically have to shove turn.

bigspenda73

11-18-2007, 05:42 AM

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I think these are great even if you get looked up, I wouldn't mind players losing respect for my range in these games, especially when we figure to have a very tight range the bulk of the time.

wufwugy

11-18-2007, 06:05 AM

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Pretty boc dog you got. I'm guessing a cane corso, but I could be way off.

Miffed22001

11-18-2007, 11:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

As far as stats go, I don't use a HUD when I play. I find them distracting and I think I get a good enough idea of people's ranges by observing their play. I'm constantly looking in the instant HH as I play to see what people are showing down. I think more people would be better off doing this and developing their own idea of how someone is playing rather than being a slave to a HUD. HUDs are great for giving you an idea of how someone has played in the past but they fall short when it comes to how someone is playing RIGHT NOW. A HUD isn't going to tell you the adjustments people are making to your current play or be very useful if they're tilting or otherwise deviating from how they usually play. You're only going to get that through observation. Large chunks of my profit are from 1) total morons and 2) regulars that are significantly off their game. The rest of the time it's just grinding it out against the regs and their generally predictable play. For 1 and 2 HUDs aren't particularly useful and in fact will often give you the wrong information and the rest of the time I've found that generic reads suffice. /end rant on HUDs

content post of the year. Soooo many wannabe midstakes grinders could learn from this.

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