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Old 08-29-2008, 08:22 PM     Post subject: 2NL calling a push against short stack #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #19994284741: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/08/29 - 16:15:19 (ET)
Table 'Antiope' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: SaintPaulia ($4.97 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($2.94 in chips)
Seat 3: pisti79 ($3 in chips)
Seat 4: Herzblatt76 ($0.93 in chips)
Seat 5: wilkawat ($1.45 in chips)
Seat 6: DTNa ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 7: hsfdragon ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 8: flying Dutsc ($0.89 in chips)
Seat 9: bergkönig20 ($4.03 in chips)
wilkawat: posts small blind $0.01
DTNa: posts big blind $0.02
pisti79: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ponyfitness [Kh Ah]
hsfdragon: folds
flying Dutsc: folds
bergkönig20: folds
SaintPaulia: folds
Hero: raises $0.06 to $0.08
pisti79: folds
Herzblatt76: calls $0.08
wilkawat: folds
DTNa: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s Jh Td]
Hero: bets $0.12
Herzblatt76: raises $0.73 to $0.85 and is all-in

Hero? No read on villain, only 7th hand at table. Obviously he hit a J, possibly J10 but my odds to improve are 1.6 to 1. Easy call?
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Old 08-30-2008, 07:59 AM #2 (permalink)  
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As you say, you can pretty much put him on a range and do the math in order to check your decision. This a classic pot odds situation, and I will try to do it cause I am not so good at it and need to train

There is 21+12+85 = 118 in the pot and you have 73 to call, which means u need 73/191= 38% equity to find a call. (anybody stop me if I mix it up with this simple calculation!)

Against any JT your not that bad because of the gut shot and the backdoor flush, roughly 22%.
Against a wide range of J8s+,J9o+, you are 31%.
I tried to build a more realistic range, with a few Q9 draw, MP+ draw and mid PP which gives you 36% of equity

Code:
Board: 7s Jh Td
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	36.789%  	36.17% 	00.62% 	         43326 	      744.00   { AhKh }
Hand 1: 	63.211%  	62.59% 	00.62% 	         74976 	      744.00   { JJ-77, AJs-ATs, KJs-KTs, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, AJo-ATo, KJo-KTo, Q9o+, J9o+ }
It is therefore a very marginal call if you had a bit more of air in villain range. You could have made your decision much much more easier by c-betting more than half of the pot against this shorty villain. It is important to take into account short stacks and adapt bet sizing accordingly to help decision making and here your half size pot bet put you just in the middle of a tough one.
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:12 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 easy fold
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 08-30-2008, 08:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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easy fold
I do not find this fold an easy one. I find it weak to bet/fold AK against a shorty on this kind of flop with the gut shot and the back door flush draw. It depends on reads, but quite a few shorties at NL2 like to bluff against a cbet like this. I would therefore bet stronger on the flop (and mayber pre as well) in order to make it an easy call. What do you think?
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I would therefore bet stronger on the flop (and mayber pre as well) in order to make it an easy call. What do you think?
i missed the gutshot...

don't change anything pre-flop.

on the flop, you say that he "obviously" has a jack. what about 89, 77, AK, QK, etc. When you start building wider ranges you need to include other hands that you don't like, not just J9 etc.

Bet flop 3/4 pot and call the push - knowing that you're losing the pot more often than winning it. Pot odds are strange like that...
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 08-31-2008, 05:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I would therefore bet stronger on the flop (and mayber pre as well) in order to make it an easy call. What do you think?
i missed the gutshot...

don't change anything pre-flop.

on the flop, you say that he "obviously" has a jack. what about 89, 77, AK, QK, etc. When you start building wider ranges you need to include other hands that you don't like, not just J9 etc.

Bet flop 3/4 pot and call the push - knowing that you're losing the pot more often than winning it. Pot odds are strange like that...
You're right. One of my leaks is not putting villains on enough hands they might have and then getting blindsided with a flopped straight or two pair. All I did was check my odds and figure out what my odds to improve were. I assumed a J because while I wouldn't have pushed, I definitely would have raised that bet.

So my bet after the flop should have been stronger for sure. BTW, I made the call, he flipped over KJo (nice to know my read was good) and I did not improve. Still, I just want to check to see if I made the right call. I guess according to pot odds the answer would be no but being marginal I think I would still make that call in the same situation.
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Old 08-31-2008, 05:42 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I would therefore bet stronger on the flop (and mayber pre as well) in order to make it an easy call. What do you think?
i missed the gutshot...

don't change anything pre-flop.

on the flop, you say that he "obviously" has a jack. what about 89, 77, AK, QK, etc. When you start building wider ranges you need to include other hands that you don't like, not just J9 etc.

Bet flop 3/4 pot and call the push - knowing that you're losing the pot more often than winning it. Pot odds are strange like that...
You're right. One of my leaks is not putting villains on enough hands they might have and then getting blindsided with a flopped straight or two pair. All I did was check my odds and figure out what my odds to improve were. I assumed a J because while I wouldn't have pushed, I definitely would have raised that bet.

So my bet after the flop should have been stronger for sure. BTW, I made the call, he flipped over KJo (nice to know my read was good) and I did not improve. Still, I just want to check to see if I made the right call. I guess according to pot odds the answer would be no but being marginal I think I would still make that call in the same situation.
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