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03-09-2008, 09:23 PM
Post subject: 25nl post flop after squeeze play gone bad
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V is 33/2/.7 over ~50
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
Hero ($29.85)
Button ($18.60)
SB ($14.55)
BB ($5.30)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($20.50)
MP1 ($8)
MP2 ($13.85)
MP3 ($23.45)
Preflop: Hero is CO with  ,  .
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, Button calls $3, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.
Flop: ($7.60)  ,  ,  (2 players)
Hero?
I like my play preflop vs. the two loose MP guys. Unfortunately the button got involved. I'm open-ended with a pair on a monochrome board, now what?
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why do you like your play? i cant see any +EV preflop 
As played, i check and see cheap showdown vs this passive guy.
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People who play loose like to see flops and will pay silly prices to see them.
No way I'm checking here though.
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The two MP guys were loose pre and moderate post-flop. I was isolating whichever one wanted to come to the flop with me. Q9s doesn't play too bad 3-way either. The button came in and threw a wrench in the works...
Now that we're past preflop can we talk about what to do after the flop?
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if its not heavily high cards coordinated, i 'd make cb into this monotone flop.
Just thinking about his 3 bet calling range, i gotta say that this flop hit him pretty hard in my opinion. Also, we have showdown value against AK/AQ and other stuff. However, we have to fold if passive villain leads out when checked to.
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This is just spew preflop. You´re inflating the pot with a hand, thats likely dominated by villians donkey-range if we think of {QT,QJ,KQ,AQ,A9,K9,22+ and more}
As played I hate putting in anymore money with 6 clean outs on a flop that hit his range pretty well.
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Alright, if you guys want to talk about what happened pre, start another thread.
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How does Q9s play well postflop vs. 2 other players?
And I agree with fnord, gotta bet.
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so if I have this right you have gone from being in position against one or two loose MP players to being oop against someone who flat called a 3bet preflop. Personally this looks more like a mid to high PP or SC's than a big PP.
Nowyou have a flop that could have hit him hard or could have him thinking he is drawing almost dead (if he doesn't have a spade).
IMO, this flop could be just as scary to villian as it is to you so I think the best line here is to lead out with a 2/3 - 3/4 psb and shut down to any call/raise.
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Ok, so we all agree to bet.
How much?
V has about twice the pot in his stack.
I bet $5.25, which was a pretty standard bet for me if we're deeper here. It leaves him just under $10 behind with a call, and gives me about 2:1 if he moves in.
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Sorry for the potential hijack, but when I try putting villian on a range of hands I come up with the following:
22+,A8s+,KTs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,AQo+
How far off is this range? Btw, the reason I ask is that I put that range into Pstove and if that range is accurate you are a slight favorite here.
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
Sorry for the potential hijack, but when I try putting villian on a range of hands I come up with the following:
22+,A8s+,KTs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,AQo+
How far off is this range? Btw, the reason I ask is that I put that range into Pstove and if that range is accurate you are a slight favorite here.
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Whether I'm a slight favorite vs. his total range is less important than what part of that range he folds to a bet and what part he pushes on. Or if I push here instead (for 2x pot), what is his calling range vs his folding range?
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fold preflop.
As played, fold instead of checking.
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I would bet closer to the size of the pot.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would bet closer to the size of the pot.
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and if he pushes?
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bet fold therefore bet hard to reduce doubts. scary boards scares everyone apart from those that love it.
Your bet if pot sized only has to work 50%+ to be profitable and your perceived holding range is strong.
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game plan A: if you think you have fold equity on this flop and decide to stack off with your outs whatsoever, just shove his ass.
game plan B: if you dont want to put more money in, just go check/fold or check/check mode. I wouldnt be surprised to see a cheap showdown and win this pot due to your villian's weak ass passive.
whenever we decide to play some certain spots, we'd better think twice about our possible game plans.
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
game plan A: if you think you have fold equity on this flop and decide to stack off with your outs whatsoever, just shove his ass.
game plan B: if you dont want to put more money in, just go check/fold or check/check mode. I wouldnt be surprised to see a cheap showdown and win this pot due to your villian's weak ass passive.
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game plan C: bet/fold to a raise
He pushed... I folded because I planned to fold, but given the odds I'm getting, maybe I should have rethought it?
I'm getting 2:1 with most likely 11 outs(6 for the OE without putting 4 hearts on the board, 3 Qs, 2 9s) and he probably has a redraw to the flush, which puts me at roughly ~35%.
Or I could be drawing nearly dead, or I could already be ahead. I figure these two pretty much cancel out.
If he already has a flush, it's not a small one, and he's probably flatting and forcing me to a decision on the turn.
Considering all this, it's a toss-up. How's my logic?
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whenever we decide to play some certain spots, we'd better think twice about our possible game plans.
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I'll keep that in mind.
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If you bet out and he shove, you are really past commitment threshhold and go all the way until showdown. Hmmm, he is not even full stack  So i think we'd better shove his ass right on flop if we choose game A. However, i'm leaning towards Game B for some reasons.
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Alright, if you guys want to talk about what happened pre, start another thread.
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