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LeFou

12-28-2006, 10:22 PM Post subject: 25NL my recent KK hands

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KK has netted me -$69.50 in December. Got it 22 times total, biggest wins were $22 (over-overpaired a guy for stacks) and $12 (reraised a C/R on JTT flop, opp folded). Other wins were $2 at a time, usually preflop folds or folds to c-bet.

The losses are staggering. Here they are; am I playing these wrong anywhere?

========= 1) cooler #1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($15.25)
BB ($3.65)
Hero ($25.95)
UTG+1 ($23.30)
MP1 ($24.40)
MP2 ($23.15)
MP3 ($31.35)
CO ($27.75)
Button ($11.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

.
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $3, 6 folds, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.35) 3

, 2

, J

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP1 raises to $15, Hero raises to $22.95, MP1 calls $6.40 (All-In).

Turn: ($50.70) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($50.70) 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $50.70

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Kc (one pair, kings).
MP1 has Ad As (straight, five high).
Outcome: MP1 wins $49.15. Hero wins $1.55.

==========2)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($30.30)
MP1 ($9.60)
MP2 ($23.40)
MP3 ($10.85)
CO ($14.95)
Button ($23.80)
SB ($15.10)
BB ($10.15)
Hero ($35.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

.
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, 3 folds, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3.75) 3

, 8

, 5

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $8, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $28, MP2 calls $14.65 (All-In).

Turn: ($54.40) A

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($54.40) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $54.40

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Ks (one pair, kings).
MP2 has 5s 5h (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: MP2 wins $49.05. Hero wins $5.35.

=============3) multicooler
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($17.55)
SB ($13.15)
BB ($29.50)
UTG ($26.95)
MP1 ($24.75)
Hero ($29.35)
CO ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, K

.
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, CO calls $1, 2 folds, BB raises to $3, MP1 calls $2.75, Hero raises to $29.35, CO folds, BB raises to $29.5, MP1 calls $21.75 (All-In).

Flop: ($84.70) K

, Q

, 6

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($84.70) 3

(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($84.70) 9

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $84.70

Results in white below:
BB has Ad As (one pair, aces).
MP1 has 4c Ac (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kh Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins $75.35. Hero wins $9.35.
==============4)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($30.15)
MP3 ($24.40)
Hero ($26.30)
Button ($34.60)
SB ($19.35)
BB ($10)
UTG ($11.40)
UTG+1 ($11.45)
MP1 ($13.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, K

.
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.35) 5

, 7

, Q

(3 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($9.35) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

River: ($19.35) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $10, Hero calls $5.

Final Pot: $39.35

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Kc (one pair, kings).
Button has Qs Js (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: Button wins $39.35.
============5) cooler #2
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($26.30)
MP1 ($5.95)
MP2 ($34.50)
Hero ($30.75)
CO ($14.05)
Button ($9.75)
SB ($24.05)
BB ($30.55)
UTG ($28.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, K

.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $2, CO raises to $14.05, 3 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls $12.05.

Flop: ($28.95) 6

, 9

, 3

(2 players)

Turn: ($28.95) 7

(2 players)

River: ($28.95) 7

(2 players)

Final Pot: $28.95

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and sevens).
CO has Ac As (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: CO wins $28.95.

================6) definitely my fave, donkbet and push
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($10.95)
UTG ($29.70)
MP1 ($31.50)
MP2 ($11.25)
Hero ($33.50)
Button ($18.35)
SB ($26.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, K

.
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.35) Q

, 7

, 4

(2 players)
MP2 bets $1.25, Hero raises to $5, MP2 raises to $10.25, Hero calls $5.25.

Turn: ($22.85) A

(2 players)

River: ($22.85) 2

(2 players)

Final Pot: $22.85

Results in white below:
MP2 has Ah Kc (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kh Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins $22.85.

================7)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($85)
MP3 ($11.90)
CO ($5.45)
Button ($11.35)
SB ($10.95)
Hero ($24.75)
UTG ($9.15)
UTG+1 ($13.65)
MP1 ($7.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, K

.
UTG raises to $9.15, 7 folds, Hero calls $8.90.

Flop: ($18.40) 9

, Q

, T

(2 players)

Turn: ($18.40) 5

(2 players)

River: ($18.40) A

(2 players)

Final Pot: $18.40

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
UTG has Td 9h (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: UTG wins $18.40.

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cardsman1992

12-28-2006, 11:00 PM

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Bad Beat section, please!!

I have been doing the same with my AA and KK recently too. It sucks. I play every hand the same, even the one where he picks up second pair on the river and minraises you. You are getting 5:1 on the last call, you are good here 1 time out of 5 I am sure.

Hand one might be suspicious, but I go to the felt with KK on a non A board every time at $25.

Hand two you could call and eval turn, but you are ahead so much here it's not funny. Flush draws do this, QQ-TT do this, etc...

Hand 3, you are supposed to felt a set. you were ahead when money went in with 10 outs on the river.

Hand 4 I mentioned above.

Hand 5, it's a shorty. I put it all in here every time. Even though it may not seem like it, it's supposed to be one in 24 times.

Hand 6 you were ahead when the money went in. Plus it's another shorty.

Hand 7 you were a favorite again against a shorty. What more could you ask?

I don't see anything glaringly wrong here. The only hand you MIGHT be worried about is the one with the flop raise. Every other one looks standard.

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Miffed22001

12-28-2006, 11:52 PM

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1. 3bet. Ugh, you arent folding anyway so im not gona say fold to a push.

2. 3bet fold to a push IMO. Tough spot, probably getting stacked. Maybe call raise then lead turn folding to a push.

3. lol. I cant se any other way other than betting to 15 and then etc etc.

4. fold river. Maybe c/r turn all in

5. ouch again?

6. lol.

7. lol

Running bad sucks.

LeFou

12-29-2006, 04:10 PM

#4 (permalink)

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Location: Dallas, TX

Posts: 2,361

Thanks, guys I was pretty sure these were mostly okay, and have noted your advice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Running bad sucks.

No kidding, here's today's KK:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($15.75)
Button ($30.40)
SB ($24)
Hero ($41.65)
UTG ($4.30)
UTG+1 ($24.75)
MP1 ($11)
MP2 ($18.20)
MP3 ($30.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, K

.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.85) 5

, A

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($4.85) 6

(3 players)
Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2, Button folds.

River: ($8.85) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Final Pot: $9.85

LeFou

12-29-2006, 04:32 PM

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Okay, need help on this one. Someone probably is drawing, but I don't know about t he other one. I'm so fucking sick of this:

PS: I know these look like bad beat stories, but they're not. I'm now officially convinced that I'm misplaying KK. First guy to fix it gets a cookie.

Note: CO only has $9 behind after his reraise.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($27.70)
MP2 ($30.10)
CO ($18)
Button ($23.15)
SB ($24.45)
BB ($23.60)
UTG ($9.25)
UTG+1 ($27.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

, K

.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.25) 8

, 4

, Q

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.75, Hero raises to $3.5, CO raises to $7.75, SB folds, UTG raises to $8.25, Hero raises to $20.75, CO calls $9.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($50.25) 7

(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($50.25) 3

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $50.25

Beck

12-29-2006, 04:57 PM

#6 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2006

Posts: 410

some of those are bad beats. and you are just gonna have to suck it up.

I say raise 4BB+1BB for every limper. so some of those hands you should have made it $1.25

3-bet preflop to a re-raise.

hand 4) make it $8 on the turn
hand 5) smells like AA line. 2xBB PFR in EP, then huge 3bet. I say fold, but may have a hard time doing it myself

that last hand you posted I recommend raising it to 1.25 pre-flop instead of $1, and consider folding to a raise and a re-raise

-Beck

zook

12-29-2006, 05:13 PM

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Last hand... I raise a little more pre-flop, $1.25 or $1.50 depending on the table. I raise the flop more, your raise is less than half-pot. I make it $5. As played, I can't find a fold. Could be a set here, AQ, a flush draw... with two shorties you're getting 2.5:1 on your money so I think you should gamble. If you are going to find a fold it would be on the turn if you flat call UTG's all-in. But at that point you'll be getting over 4:1 on your $9, so I don't think you can lay it down.

Miffed22001

12-29-2006, 05:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LeFou

Thanks, guys I was pretty sure these were mostly okay, and have noted your advice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Running bad sucks.

, K

.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.85) 5

, A

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($4.85) 6

(3 players)
Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2, Button folds.

River: ($8.85) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Final Pot: $9.85

raise to $2.5 IMO. The dead money is enough.

In the other hand you posted fold to CO 3betting. Bet-raise-3bet= one pair no goot, even if they are donks. Your raise to isolate is fine, but make it bigger, you are folding to a push behind without a read remember. CO could be 3betting AQ but he'd have to suck hard at 25nl to be doing that. Raise to 1.25 preflop.

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