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Old 08-15-2006, 04:21 PM     Post subject: 25NL, KK facing donk bet and min-raise on rag flop #1 (permalink)  
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 No good read, just sat down at table.

Yes, 4 callers sucks. I"ll raise more next time.

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Table Birmingham, 15 Aug 2006 12:04 PM ET
Seat 1: hvladimir ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 2: x niceman ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 3: swiggidy ($21.75 in chips)
Seat 4: litlemag ($29.15 in chips)
Seat 5: isomies ($21.55 in chips)
Seat 6: VSK_ ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 7: Deltahedge ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 8: 1Afura1 ($18.30 in chips)
Seat 9: ori_ ($53.25 in chips)
Seat 10: gaud1337 ($12.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Deltahedge posts blind ($0.15), 1Afura1 posts blind ($0.25).

swig is dealt:
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PRE-FLOP
1 fold, gaud1337 calls $0.25, 2 fold, swiggidy bets $1, litlemag calls $1, 3 fold, 1Afura1 calls $0.75, gaud1337 calls $0.75.

FLOP [board cards ,,:Td: ] (pot $4)
1Afura1 bets $0.50, 1 fold, swiggidy bets $3, 1 fold, 1Afura1 bets $5, swiggidy calls $2.50.

TURN [board cards ,,:Td:, ] (pot $14)
1Afura1 bets $2, swiggidy ...

Flop call is standard? Do you push the turn, or just call?
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:38 PM #2 (permalink)  
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look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:40 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 what do you know about him?
he either has you crushed or is overplaying some one pair hand like AT or JJ.
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:45 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Raise, your hand is good here almost always.
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what do you know about him?
he either has you crushed or is overplaying some one pair hand like AT or JJ.
All I know is he had been dealt 10 hands with nothing out of the ordinary
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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what do you know about him?
he either has you crushed or is overplaying some one pair hand like AT or JJ.
All I know is he had been dealt 10 hands with nothing out of the ordinary
id prob fold the flop then
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 On the flop you asked him what his weak lead on that dry board meant, he told you it meant he likes his hand. No need to ask him again on the turn.

You're either way ahead against QQ-JJ or way behind against a set. He only has to have QQ-JJ a small percentage of the time to make a turn call profitable on implied odds, as you will definitely take his stack if you hit your 2-outer on the river.

Call turn, call reasonable river bet.

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look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.
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Raise, your hand is good here almost always.
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id prob fold the flop then
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Call turn, call reasonable river bet.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:49 PM #9 (permalink)  
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id prob fold the flop then
Wow
for $2.50 more in a $12 pot with an overpair to the board?

this is $25 nl
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:55 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 People at 25nl don't donk 3bet without a strong hand.

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Old 08-15-2006, 07:56 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Plus, it's not like it's a river bet and you're getting 5:1 on your call to stop the action... it's on the flop and you're going to have to call more bets until the river.

I probably do call however, and call down until the river.

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look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.
My thought

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Raise, your hand is good here almost always.
Fnord is right, I'm not sure why you think this though

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id prob fold the flop then
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Call turn, call reasonable river bet.
2 out of 4, not bad

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River, K (Horay), he checks, I put him in, he calls with JJ
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look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.
My thought

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Raise, your hand is good here almost always.
Fnord is right, I'm not sure why you think this though

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id prob fold the flop then
Eww

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Call turn, call reasonable river bet.
2 out of 4, not bad

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River, K (Horay), he checks, I put him in, he calls with JJ
we showed strength and he 3bet us.

That normally means a one pair hand is no good. By all means against the right player you shove kk here, that i agree with.
But as a general play, the minbet 3bet a raise = monster.
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Old 08-15-2006, 08:47 PM #14 (permalink)  
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we showed strength and he 3bet us.

That normally means a one pair hand is no good. By all means against the right player you shove kk here, that i agree with.
But as a general play, the minbet 3bet a raise = monster.
I agree with this.

I guess I see your point, against the right opponent it would be an easy flop fold. In this case, at this point of my poker career I'm not capable of that.

I don't think I ever fold to the turn bet.
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I don't think I ever fold to the turn bet.
Me neither. If he will let you showdown cheaply, by all means, do just that.

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Old 08-15-2006, 10:25 PM #16 (permalink)  
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River, K (Horay), he checks, I put him in, he calls with JJ
Wow, makes sense. I was putting him on 2pr/set. I couldnt find any draws. I was gonna say try and show down cheap prior to reading this. His 1bb bet/min raise made me think he really liked his hand. I forgot how much donks love their overpairs. Thanks for posting this.

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