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05-18-2008, 09:20 PM Post subject: 25NL: flopped TPWK+NFD in MW raised pot

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Villain is 27/4/2 over ~40 hands, haven't really noticed him. Play is generally loose passive at the table.

How did I play the flop? Can I call his turn push?

***** Hand History for Game 3248850993 *****
$25.00 NL Texas Hold\'em - Saturday , May 17 , 12:38:36 2008
Table Malabo2 (Real Money )
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: HaraldJungke ( $19.75 )
Seat 2: everestDan ( $26.46 )
Seat 3: bartvand ( $27.60 )
Seat 4: Elia46 ( $28.25 )
Seat 5: caliqula ( $21.10 )
Seat 6: sylber ( $6.60 )
Seat 7: Chewem123 ( $24.60 )
Seat 8: Rossmark ( $25.40 )
Seat 9: Flups ( $52.65 )
Seat 10: _Globul_ ( $27.50 )
sylber posts the small blind [ $0.15 ]
Chewem123 posts the big blind [ $0.25 ]
Dealt to Flups [ 6

]
** Dealing down cards **
Rossmark calls [ $0.25 ]
Flups calls [ $0.25 ]
_Globul_ raises [ $1.00 ]
HaraldJungke calls [ $1.00 ]
everestDan folds
bartvand folds
Elia46 folds
caliqula calls [ $1.00 ]
sylber calls [ $0.85 ]
Chewem123 calls [ $0.75 ]
Rossmark calls [ $0.75 ]
Flups calls [ $0.75 ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9

, K

, A

]
sylber checks
Chewem123 checks
Rossmark checks
Flups bets [ $4.00 ]
_Globul_ folds
HaraldJungke folds
caliqula folds
sylber folds
Chewem123 folds
Rossmark raises [ $8.00 ]
Flups calls [ $4.00 ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5

]
Rossmark bets [ $16.40 ]
Flups calls or folds?

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daven

05-18-2008, 09:59 PM

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7 to a flop in a raised pot. Wow.
I consider folding pre.
This many to a flop I don't always bet out, but i like your play, and calling the re-raise is fine. I think you're up against A9 a lot of the time here.
Fold.

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Muzzard

05-18-2008, 10:02 PM

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Don't limp pre, fold. The call after you limp is fine.

As played 3b flop.
As played fold turn.

badgers

05-18-2008, 10:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzzard

Don't limp pre, fold. The call after you limp is fine.

As played 3b flop.
As played fold turn.

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dev

05-18-2008, 11:05 PM

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I like a CR/AI on the flop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzzard

As played 3b flop.
As played fold turn.

When you have a hand like this, you get soooo much weaker when you miss the turn, I try to find a way to get it in with two cards coming.

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Keilah

05-19-2008, 03:46 AM

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Use HH converter plz.
Also get it in on the flop IMO.

Flups

05-19-2008, 10:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keilah

Use HH converter plz.

I did, this one: http://ch.tudelft.nl/~alexander/everest/conv.php
Any better suggestions for everest hh's?

About the pre-flop limp: is it really that bad in loose passive games to limp suited aces? I don't think so, but correct me if I'm wrong. Don't understand me wrong though, limping suited aces in EP isn't the standard for me (usually I fold them indeed).

As for the short 3b flop answers: is it really better to 3-bet the flop here? I strongly considered it, but I thought that, with the general weak/passive/tight play (especially in MW pots) it would get my chips in only being way behind to 2-pair+ giving me about 35% equity. The reason I just called: direct odds of 4.75:1, position, not a lot of folding equity against opp's c/minr. range. In this case I also didn't think I would lose value if my draw hits given stacks and pot size on the turn. Let's put it this way: 3b'ing seems like overplaying this hand to me, while call/re-evaluate feels very weak, but maximizes my post flop skill edge over this player (which I like to believe I have, lol).

I folded turn as advised. Most important reason to post this hand was the flop play though. So, to all the 'as played 3b flop'-ers: still 3b flop?

Flups

05-20-2008, 01:49 PM

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Muzzard, badgers, dev and Keilah, any thoughts on previous post? Still 3b flop?

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05-20-2008, 01:55 PM

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Pot the flop, then make a crying shove over the min-raise.

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badgers

05-20-2008, 02:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flups

Muzzard, badgers, dev and Keilah, any thoughts on previous post? Still 3b flop?

OK let's try and put villain on a range.

The only set villain could have is 99, even that may have squeezed pre but we won't discount it at all for simplicity purposes. As far as 2 pair combos go, it looks a lot like A9/K9 are the only possibilities. This is without considering worse draws etc.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.515% 54.71% 01.80% 9750 321.00 { 99, A9s, K9s, A9o, K9o }
Hand 1: 43.485% 41.68% 01.80% 7428 321.00 { Ad6d }

Pokerstove says we have 43% against this which is probably villain's strongest possible range. He could also sometimes have some 1 pair hands such as AQ, combo draws, or even just a flush draw which we absolutely pwn. Get it in on the flop please!

In a very loose passive game wherere you have a huge edge preflop, there are likely to be multiple limpers, and it's unlikely to be raised behind, the limp is ok. It would have to be under these exceptional circumstances for this limp to be ok though.

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05-20-2008, 03:24 PM

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Ok, I'll play it less weak then, thanks for your response.

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