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Old 04-07-2008, 07:30 PM     Post subject: 25nl flopped 2p, What if this goes down differently? #1 (permalink)  
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Something's up with the converter, I winged it.

PokerStars Game #16555819193: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/04/07 - 13:35:20 (ET)
Table 'Klytia II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: 33cc ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 2: devr ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: sherritt ($29.25 in chips)
Seat 5: qwandogg ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Skype85 ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 7: trooperkilla ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 8: GJ42 ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 9: pis.joddo ($25 in chips)
qwandogg: posts small blind $0.10
Skype85: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to devr [:Jd: :Ts:]
4 folds
devr: raises $0.75 to $1
1 fold
qwandogg: calls $0.90
Skype85: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [:Jc: :Td: ]
qwandogg: bets $0.25
Skype85: calls $0.25
devr: raises $2.50 to $2.75
qwandogg: calls $2.50
Skype85: folds
*** TURN *** [:Jc: :Td: ] [:Qc:]
qwandogg: checks
devr: checks

turn question:
Here, if that's Qd instead, do I bet? What about 2c? I think I usually still check back either way, but is that optimal? Can we pre-blocking bet and check behind on the river?

*** RIVER *** [:Jc: :Td: :Qc:] []
qwandogg: bets $0.50
devr: calls $0.50

This one kinda pissed me off. Getting a million:1 on my money, I'm not folding here.

Since I checked the turn, I'm inviting a bluff on the river if the guy called has like T7 or KJ.

river question a:If this player wasn't this bad and bet more, how much can I call?

river question b:If he checks it to me, can I v-bet here? There's still a few hands that can call a v-bet.


*** SHOW DOWN ***
qwandogg: shows [Qs Ah] (a pair of Queens)
devr: shows [Jd Ts] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
devr collected $9.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.75 | Rake $0.45
Board [Jc Td 8c Qc 3h]
Seat 1: 33cc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: devr showed [Jd Ts] and won ($9.30) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 4: sherritt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: qwandogg (small blind) showed [Qs Ah] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Skype85 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: trooperkilla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: GJ42 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pis.joddo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Players are so passive I just check this down from the turn. You're almost always behind on the river, but call, make a note on how he played and move on. Calling small bets on the river will never be a big enough mistake to worry about. It sucks because if they have a good hand and you bet turn, he's going to min-raise you. Then what do you do?


Don't post results {I just looked at them now}:
even if he calls another bet with this hand it's the very bottom of his range so overall it's not eV, IMO.
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 played it well. Turn play looks like he wants to cr, so checking behind looks good. River, who knows? could have anything, from a nut flush trying to represent weakness through to AJ
He's betting like 1/16th of pot on the river = easy call.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Nice hand sir.

My initial thought is to just commit on the flop, but I don't think it matters much. The money is going in if you turn a little better than pretty much the worst card in the deck.
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