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25 Nl and below, OESD, Flush Draws
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mrhappy333
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12-31-2007, 09:03 PM
Post subject: 25 Nl and below, OESD, Flush Draws
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
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I have some issues playing these hands. Especially the Flush draw.
For instance I'm in MP or LP and Limp with A8s and there are multiple limpers.
Flop Ks 4s 8h
Hand 1: If there is a bet and a reraise do you call, fold, push all in?
Hand 2: goes check around to me, bet pot, or check for a free card?
Hand 3: EP limper goes All in for say $10 and gets a caller who has another $30 behind him which covers your whole stack, do you call, fold or raise all in?
hand 4: EP limper goes All in , folds around to you where your stack sizes are similar. Call or fold?
I know in poker everything depends , but some help would be greatful.
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kpreston
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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I'm pretty new to poker, so I wouldn't take my advice if I were you. I'm just going to post my opinions and see if I get corrected by someone that actually knows what they're doing.
Hand 1: I would fold. I'm never interested in risking my entire stack in a multi-way pot. Especially not on a flush draw.
Hand 2: Checking shows either hand weakness or someone slow playing. Now considering that the other plays limped in, I doubt they are holding those Kings. Maybe a low pocket pair, or a flush draw like you. When a pot gets to me unraised, I like to open with aggression (even with draws).
Hand 3: You're getting less than 3:1 on your money, and you still have future betting to worry about. Fold.
Hand 4: I'd put him on a set. Most likely limped in with 4s or 8s and just got lucky. Chances are he's hoping you got the king, so he can trap. I don't think the size of the pot is worth the risk. Fold.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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raise pre
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shazbox
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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My take:
1) I would call and hope the original better calls as well, if they both end up all in, you go with them. I wouldn't fold mid pair with an over card and flush draw with 2 other people in the pot. Of course it depends on the players, as you don't have as much equity if you are putting them on sets. If they don't have sets, 3 8's or the nut flush will be enough to win, and you are ~44% to make them by the river, so getting all in with 2 other people isn't a bad idea.
2) Bet to see where you stand. Everybody may fold, or somebody may call. The call means that you very well might be beat, so you hope to catch an 8 or the flush on the next card. Your bet on the flop could disguise the flush if it does hit, and also builds the pot for when it hits as well.
3) If you think a flush will win it and that you will be able to get the other guy all in if you hit it, it isn't a terrible call as you are putting in 10 to win 10+30 = 40. Although it depends on how big your stack is, as long as it is close to 30 as well. Pushing may not be a great move, although it may not be terrible, I'm not sure.
4) Depends on how big the pot is and your read on the player. If he isn't going to shove with anything less that a set, you might as well fold. But if he is going to shove K8 or KQ or AK it may be worth a call.
Then again it is New Years day, so perhaps my brain isn't quite working right yet...
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wufwugy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
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Limping pre is fine in passive games.
The ONLY hands you don't wanna be up against are sets so I have a hard time folding.
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mrhappy333
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
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Any mor replies? I'm really struggling with this. Thanks again
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