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Old 01-07-2007, 06:08 PM     Post subject: 22 25NL set #1 (permalink)  
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again early on. hows my line? wonder if i should open limp, call the raise ( i think i shud given sizeable of bigstack could call 2). hows my bet on turn, too big?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($27.20)
MP2 ($54.15)
MP3 ($9.50)
CO ($15)
Button ($1.40)
SB ($26.40)
BB ($7.50)
UTG ($16.60)
UTG+1 ($20.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2, 2. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, Button raises to $1.4, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.15, MP2 calls $1.15, CO folds.

Flop: ($4.80) 2, 7, J (3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3.

Turn: ($10.80) K (3 players)
Hero bets $8
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Old 01-07-2007, 06:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1st of all, where did the button go on the flop? he raised, and disappeared. did he fold? i can only assume he did.

2nd of all, when oop and calling i like the c/r here on the flop. i know its strong, but with the flushy draw, we can be very assumptive that the raiser will lead the flop, if allowed, and we can get his bet AND still take the away the odds to draw.

only reason i dont c/r here is that raiser is VERY passive. on 2nd thought, that kind of player would be MORE likely to "protect" against the flush draw with a pot-sized flop bet.

take the pot now, dont get too cute!
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1st of all, where did the button go on the flop? he raised, and disappeared. did he fold? i can only assume he did.

button is allin already. there will be a showdown.

2nd of all, when oop and calling i like the c/r here on the flop. i know its strong, but with the flushy draw, we can be very assumptive that the raiser will lead the flop, if allowed, and we can get his bet AND still take the away the odds to draw.

only reason i dont c/r here is that raiser is VERY passive. on 2nd thought, that kind of player would be MORE likely to "protect" against the flush draw with a pot-sized flop bet.

take the pot now, dont get too cute!

Thanks i did,
just wondering tho could i of bet less to keep weaker hands in. i know its not a big error but just to squeeze some extra value. like bet 5-6 denying flush odds plus pairs tempted to stick around. then hopefully get opp attached to the pot on river
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:15 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I like your bet on the turn because it's about 1/3 of the effective stack. That leaves an almost pot committed bet size for the river. If villain has AK your stacking him almost everytime
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Old 01-07-2007, 09:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 bet/3bet all in on this board and watch an overpair/1 pair hand call.
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Old 01-08-2007, 02:25 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 01-08-2007, 02:43 AM #8 (permalink)  
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bet/3bet all in on this board and watch an overpair/1 pair hand call.
have you actually seen AJ call a $20 push on the flop? QQ+ might, but i cant even see that happening often. i cant see anyone calling a straight up push until at least the turn, but then again the remaining villain has you covered by a lot. so, maybeeeee...
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:07 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 THIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE QQ+
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:52 AM #10 (permalink)  
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THIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE QQ+
i dont want to be anagonistic here.

however, we all post our opinions and "best guesses" to be helpful to the posters. and we are all trying to learn to be better players. and unless we see the results, NONE of us can be sure of the villain's hands, especially at these stakes.

that said, nuts, please elaborate if you care to comment. you can scream with CAPS all you want, but it does no good if you dont back up your read with a thought process or explanation.

again, i am not trying to be antagonistic, just trying to become better myself. hence, the request for elaboration.
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Old 01-08-2007, 05:05 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 chop,
he's not talking about pushing all-in, he's talking about betting (as played), getting raised, and then pushing. A lot of worse hands here will call.

QQ+ would def call a straight push on the flop. Nuts took your statement to mean you are assuming his range is QQ+, which I don't think is true. QQ+ is part of the range, but the range itslef is much, much wider.
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Old 01-08-2007, 01:09 PM #12 (permalink)  
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THIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE QQ+
i dont want to be anagonistic here.

however, we all post our opinions and "best guesses" to be helpful to the posters. and we are all trying to learn to be better players. and unless we see the results, NONE of us can be sure of the villain's hands, especially at these stakes.

that said, nuts, please elaborate if you care to comment. you can scream with CAPS all you want, but it does no good if you dont back up your read with a thought process or explanation.

again, i am not trying to be antagonistic, just trying to become better myself. hence, the request for elaboration.
opp will raise your lead if you lead into him here if he has a big pp. Calling looks like hes drawing or weak or thinks you have a flush draw and wont bet into the turn without hitting either.
Thats why i recommended bet-get raised-3bet all in on this board as it looks like it could be an aggro player pushing his FE with a flush draw.
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Old 01-08-2007, 01:27 PM #13 (permalink)  
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opp will raise your lead if you lead into him here if he has a big pp. Calling looks like hes drawing or weak or thinks you have a flush draw and wont bet into the turn without hitting either.
Thats why i recommended bet-get raised-3bet all in on this board as it looks like it could be an aggro player pushing his FE with a flush draw.
yeah i would of went with this if flop RR'd me.

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Old 01-08-2007, 06:29 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 i probly fold pre

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Old 01-08-2007, 11:34 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by nutsinho
THIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE QQ+
i dont want to be anagonistic here.

however, we all post our opinions and "best guesses" to be helpful to the posters. and we are all trying to learn to be better players. and unless we see the results, NONE of us can be sure of the villain's hands, especially at these stakes.

that said, nuts, please elaborate if you care to comment. you can scream with CAPS all you want, but it does no good if you dont back up your read with a thought process or explanation.

again, i am not trying to be antagonistic, just trying to become better myself. hence, the request for elaboration.
opp will raise your lead if you lead into him here if he has a big pp. Calling looks like hes drawing or weak or thinks you have a flush draw and wont bet into the turn without hitting either.
Thats why i recommended bet-get raised-3bet all in on this board as it looks like it could be an aggro player pushing his FE with a flush draw.
now, i guess i get to look like i am completely incompetent.

villain didnt raise here. so, i assume your bet/3bet line you are hoping for means: bet out here, and HOPE you get raised...whatever you do, dont check. did i FINALLY understand this one? if so, thanks for clarifying.

swigg, i hope nobody assumes i was narrowing villain's range to QQ+, as i was only saying that QQ+ is about all that you beat that would call a straight push, and of course, QQ+ SHOULD raise your bet here, too. but i thought it was a push recommendation. a lot of stuff/junk would only call your bet. i can hardly speculate, on the flop, what that range may be, as it is pretty wide...agreed.

as for the bet/3bet confusion, on my part, i thought that may be what was meant was bet, IF raised, push. i just wasnt sure, since there was no raise, why it was suggested, but i think i got it. again, many thx.
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