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jimmy44
Old 09-04-2008, 03:44 PM     Post subject: 200NL: Turn: Top 2 vs turn min raise #1 (permalink)  
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Stacks:
Hero ($225.50)
UTG+1 ($37.00)
CO ($196.55)
BTN ($276.20)
SB ($681.25)
BB ($240.75)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, CO calls $8, 3 folds

Flop: ($19, 2 players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($47, 2 players)
Hero bets $32, CO raises to $70, Hero ???

villain was 20/7/3.
On the turn our hand has improved so now we beat any other 2 pairs hand.
However, the turn min raise looks a lot like a set or maybe straight trying to milk the pot. I don't think villain does this enough with a FD here on that board.
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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with better post-flop reads this could maybe be a fold but I'm just gonna shove and hate life if he has a set.
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with better post-flop reads this could maybe be a fold but I'm just gonna shove and hate life if he has a set.
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Old 09-04-2008, 05:48 PM #4 (permalink)  
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with better post-flop reads this could maybe be a fold but I'm just gonna shove and hate life if he has a set.
lol +2, though i guess your crushed here quite alot :/.
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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with better post-flop reads this could maybe be a fold but I'm just gonna shove and hate life if he has a set.
lol +2, though i guess your crushed here quite alot :/.
I don't wanna seem obvious, but if we are crushed here a lot, why not fold?
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:09 PM #6 (permalink)  
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call and pray to fill and bust his sorry butt?
38 to call into a 70+$ pot and 110+$ behind in effective stacks.
most of the time i think u could be ahead...
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oops forgot to put in straight possibilities.
i dont understand how u arent willing to play for stacks with top 2pr vs a turn min raise.

the raise is a bit sucky because u are OOP on the river (i hate). question is how much equity do you think you have versus this person on a shove?
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:17 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 call turn bet call any river bet.

i make this move quit a bit with 44/33/AK/A2/A5


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Old 09-04-2008, 07:32 PM #9 (permalink)  
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with better post-flop reads this could maybe be a fold but I'm just gonna shove and hate life if he has a set.
lol +2, though i guess your crushed here quite alot :/.
erm, what two pair hands are there?
How has our hand improved versus our opponents likely range from the flop?
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:33 PM     Post subject: Re: 200NL: Turn: Top 2 vs turn min raise #10 (permalink)  
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villain was 20/7/3.
fold to c-bet?
Turn aggression frequency? (these both on my hud)

i call and spike a river ace here.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:04 AM #11 (permalink)  
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with better post-flop reads this could maybe be a fold but I'm just gonna shove and hate life if he has a set.
lol +2, though i guess your crushed here quite alot :/.
erm, what two pair hands are there?
How has our hand improved versus our opponents likely range from the flop?
With 20 VPIP, villain would call PFR with A2/A5
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:12 AM #12 (permalink)  
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call turn bet call any river bet.

i make this move quit a bit with 44/33/AK/A2/A5
What hands can you put villain on that we beat?
I can only think of KQcc, KJcc or QJcc (or maybe 23s/45s).
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:31 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 i think stacking off to this action is a mistake.
He has a set here IMO. Whether he'd have worse hands enough to make stacking off +ev im not sure, this player can for sure have AJ easily here
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