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Old 10-03-2006, 12:09 AM     Post subject: 200NL TT overpair donked into by 45BB stack #1 (permalink)  
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 MP1 is 23/4.5 over a tiny sample of 20 hands. No reads, including on UTG+1.

This ok?

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($209.55)
UTG ($221.75)
UTG+1 ($144.66)
UTG+2 ($194.89)
MP1 ($88.15)
Hero ($249.80)
MP3 ($112.25)
CO ($192.70)
Button ($199.95)
SB ($196)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , . SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, Hero raises to $11, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $9, MP1 calls $9.

Flop: ($36) , , (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $20, Hero raises to $60, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $57.15 (All-In), Hero calls $17.15.

Turn: ($190.30) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($190.30) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $190.30

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Old 10-03-2006, 12:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Dreadfully standard.
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 Thanks guys. I figured it to be, but was a bit hesitant because the flop is likely to have hit a small pair/suited connector stronger than a one pair hand.

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 Gambool as much as possible against shorties when you have TPTK or better.

Always try to get in all in here. What are you going to do? Call and fold to his $37 all in bet on the turn?


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What are you going to do? Call and fold to his $37 all in bet on the turn?
Of course we are playing for stacks if we choose to continue with the hand. The other option is to just fold to his ~halfpot bet, which I actually think is a viable option given the board.

The board makes a lot of two pairs that fit with preflop limp-call, there's of course the inevitable set scare, we are slightly behind KQd-type hands, slightly ahead of A2d and about 70/30 to something like a pair and an OESD.

I'm still learning not to be a nit, I figure gambooling with shorties is a good start. Still, I'd love to hear reasons in some of the replies to my posts .

Related, what's your flop play with full stacks?

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The board makes a lot of two pairs that fit with preflop limp-call, there's of course the inevitable set scare, we are slightly behind KQd-type hands, slightly ahead of A2d and about 70/30 to something like a pair and an OESD.

Related, what's your flop play with full stacks?
We are of course not ahead all of the time here, but I have found that weaker hands pay us off often enough to make this play profitable over the long run. I gave the same answer to a guy at a table @ Pokerstars who asked why I would push all in after a raise on the river. I had AKo. The board was TJQ92, 3 clubs. The reason was simple: A king high straight calls me often enough to make it profitable.

What's my post flop play with full stacks? Same betting, just not playing for stacks. I pot it after most bets when I hold an overpair on a co-ordinated board such as this. Much more aggression from villain may find me folding my pair of tens, pending reads and position of course.
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