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Renton
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07-16-2006, 10:51 AM
Post subject: 200nl trips vs tag.
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Straight Flush
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Villlain is a very solid tag. My image is 17/11 tag.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($368.20)
UTG ($213.25)
UTG+1 ($52)
MP1 ($0)
MP2 ($235.82)
MP3 ($207.85)
CO ($200)
Button ($210.05)
SB ($199.70)
Preflop: Hero is BB with J , K . CO posts a blind of $2. SB posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, MP3 calls $2, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($8) 7 , K , T (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB raises to $15, Hero calls $10.
Turn: ($38) 8 (3 players)
SB bets $25, Hero calls $25.
River: ($88) K (3 players)
SB bets $45, Hero calls $45.
Final Pot: $178
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midas06
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nh
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Miffed22001
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KT, missed draw but nicely played.
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thnwkd
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
KT, missed draw but nicely played.
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KT makes boat on river.
I think villian has two pair on flop, maybe combo draw.
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IslandGrinder
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mxiu
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I'm not sure what you really beat here. To me, it looks like 77, or a combo draw, both which have you beat.
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WildBobAA
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I would probably dump the turn.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by WildBobAA
I would probably dump the turn.
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Villain has str8 draw or flush draw an enormous percentage of the time here. I think dumping this on any street other than the river is throwing value away.
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mxiu
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by WildBobAA
I would probably dump the turn.
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Villain has str8 draw or flush draw an enormous percentage of the time here. I think dumping this on any street other than the river is throwing value away. |
Agreed. Why call the river then?
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Renton
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Because a good player would push all in on the river with a made hand when he knew that his villain made trip kings.
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mxiu
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I personally don't expect you to stack off if I think you're a solid TAG.
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Renton
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This size of his river value bet gave me a good price to call even if his range beat me, plus almost eliminated the chance of him having a flush or a full house. The natural play with a flush or full house would be to push and hope I make a crying call. I honestly believed the only hand he has here that beats me is KQ.
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Renton
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The range I put on him after the river bet is K2-K9 KQ T7 89 or occasionally a baby flush.
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mxiu
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Well, I would bet closer to $60 with a made flush here. Pushing $150~ into an $88 pot makes me believe my trips aren't good, no?
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mxiu
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Would he c/r a weak K? I'm not sure if K2-K9 is really in his range... I was thinking KQ, T7, 89, QJ, with respective combo draws, etc.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by mxiu
Well, I would bet closer to $60 with a made flush here. Pushing $150~ into an $88 pot makes me believe my trips aren't good, no?
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If you think he'll call $60, 50% of the time, but he'll call $150, 25% of the time, then betting $150 is the best play.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by mxiu
Would he c/r a weak K?
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C/ring a weak K wouldn't be a bad play here, since I am betting out this flop with a draw much more often than a King.
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mxiu
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by mxiu
Well, I would bet closer to $60 with a made flush here. Pushing $150~ into an $88 pot makes me believe my trips aren't good, no?
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If you think he'll call $60, 50% of the time, but he'll call $150, 25% of the time, then betting $150 is the best play. |
I think it's more along the lines of, KKKJ will call $60, >75% of the time, and will call $150, <25% of the time.
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bdawg56kg
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Originally Posted by Renton
Because a good player would push all in on the river with a made hand when he knew that his villain made trip kings.
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I'd agree if he was up against a fish, but assuming he knows you're a solid player, pushing the river is just throwing away value, since you are never calling without at least a flush.
I'd just make a weak fold on the flop. You are either crushed, or a slight favorite at best, meaning reverse implied odds could be potentially huge.
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Rockymv
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
reverse implied odds could be potentially huge.
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That's what I was thinking about the flop c/r.
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mxiu
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Results?
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Renton
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he showed K9 shipit
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