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Old 10-24-2008, 06:45 PM     Post subject: 200NL - QQ on ugh board. #1 (permalink)  
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Villain 15/12/4, fold to 3bet 63%, attempt steal 33%.

This board blows, I'm behind pretty much all the hands that like to see flops in 3bet pots in position, plus obv if he was being ghey with a premium i'm smoked.

It hurts but do I have to c/f here?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
6 folds, Button raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $22, Button calls $16

Flop: ($45) 8, 6, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button calls $30

Turn: ($105) 5 (2 players)

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Old 10-24-2008, 06:52 PM #2 (permalink)  
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If the board hits his range so hard then don't cbet. You're still ahead of TT/JJ/floaty AK/AQ but yes I think you should c/f as played.
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Old 10-24-2008, 06:53 PM #3 (permalink)  
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it doesn't hit his range THAT hard on the flop.

But once the turn hits I'm cursing.
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but only one hand is his range has improved and even that's questionable since he may have raised flop with it.
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although he may be being frisky with SCs and the like since you're kinda deep and he has position. Just c/f now while the pot is small and you have the chance, but a flop check is def ok imo particularly if you three bet a lot and have to give up on boards like these.
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:18 PM #6 (permalink)  
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For sure the SCs and probably gappers are in his range, folding 63% is pretty small.

What do we do if
a) we check flop, he bets
b) we bet flop, he raises

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keilah
What do we do if
a) we check flop, he bets
b) we bet flop, he raises
a) call
b) shove

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Old 10-24-2008, 09:51 PM #8 (permalink)  
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a) call ldo
b) hate life, I'm not betting unless I'm shoving so the question is more like is the bet correct in the first place.
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:20 AM #9 (permalink)  
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but only one hand is his range has improved and even that's questionable since he may have raised flop with it.
lol. you guys are so crazy.
if he raises hes probably stacking it off.
so if you like QQ vs his stack off range go nuts.
any type of connector that he called with on the flop has now
almost guaranteed to improve to better the Qs Qh.

so since your beating AK/AQ and TT-JJ.
you tell me how you should play this.
and yes you will get bluffed off this pot with a non-zero frequency.
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yeah that was a dumb thing to say...
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