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Old 07-16-2008, 10:00 AM     Post subject: 200NL: QQ 3bet K high FLOP OOP #1 (permalink)  
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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
10 players
Seat 1: UTG ( $42.75 USD )
Seat 2: UTG+1 ( $378.65 USD )
Seat 3: UTG+2 ( $190.90 USD )
Seat 4: MP1 ( $344.50 USD )
Seat 5: MP2 ( $49.60 USD )
Seat 6: CO+1 ( $313.60 USD )
Seat 7: CO ( $202.00 USD )
Seat 8: Button ( $342.45 USD )
Seat 9: SB ( $231.90 USD )
Seat 10: Hero ( $216.70 USD )
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises to $8, 5 folds, Hero raises to $26, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: K 5 J ($55, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: 4 ($55, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $35, Hero calls.

River: J ($125, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $50, Hero ??

Results:
Final pot: $125

villain was 20/4/3. I don't like to C-BET K high board with QQ on 3bet pots as I will not allow villain to bluff if I do so. And this is where we'll get the most of the value of our hand on these flops.
The river is a really bad card for our hand, mostly because it's J. Now (a part from the flush) AJ/QJ/JT and J9 also beats us. On river we only beat a bluff. Villain is betting pretty small and we'll betting 3.5 to 1. But we have under represented our hand (our range to villain is AQo/QQ/TT). Can we call here?
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I think this is a fold and I like the line. He has a tight open range and is opening from MP1, the call pf is likely pocket pairs down to about 9,9 or A,K. You gave him the chance to checkthrough the river with hands you beat, and I agree 3.5 to 1 is not enough odds for the call.
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i think this line is a bad idea. unless your comfortable putting alot of money in with this hand i think you get blown out alot by a decent player. after you c/c turn your hand is very transparent. i think he is sucker betting you on the river. generally i dont like playing a passive line oop in 3b pots
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:29 PM #4 (permalink)  
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so would you be cbetting this flop zilla?
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lol do u even have to ask?
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:52 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 reDZill: What's your line on TURN once villain calls your C-bet? c/c? c/f?
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Old 07-16-2008, 07:34 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i check flop / delay c-bet and b/f on the turn. Its just one of WA/WB situations and we should not build a big pot oop in these spots. Also, i dont like jimmy's flop/turn checking though
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Hey guys,

has anyone tried this strategy guide before:{linked edited - a500lbgorilla} i have heard good reports but im to scared to take the plunge lol

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Old 07-16-2008, 08:21 PM #9 (permalink)  
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zilla what better folds/worse calls? Or do you think it's just such a nasty spot that you want to immediately find out where you are cos otherwise you're going to get position raped?
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Hey guys,

has anyone tried this strategy guide before: {link edited - a500lbgorilla} i have heard good reports but im to scared to take the plunge lol

cheers

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