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jimmy44
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06-20-2008, 09:15 AM
Post subject: 200NL: Nut Flush being pushed on RIVER
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with A  T
8 folds, SB raises to $7, Hero calls.
Flop: 5 7 4 ($14, 2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero calls.
Turn: K ($32, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
River: 9  ($32, 2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero raises to $100, SB raises to $429.45, Hero calls.
Villain was 15/12/4 (for 300 hands). Seemed pretty solid and I did not saw him get out of line. This is a call, but I was just wondering, with my line, can villain here have a Set here? or a Q? or a bluff?
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Keilah
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8c6c ftw.
If he doesn't have a straight flush here he's a total retard or on a bluff (and this is a pretty retarded spot for a bluff IMO, but I know jacksh!t about bluffing). Qc should clearly just flat your raise, and sets/straights probably the same.
I'm curious what he showed.
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badgers
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This spot is so gross. His range is like straight flush/ bluff and it's a pretty retarded spot to bluff although you did check the turn, which he might not think you would do with Ac.
Hmmmmm.
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d0zer
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Your line looks pretty weak all the way to the river -- I could imagine him thinking you're FOS on the river and just shoving over.
Plus this is BvB. I doubt he's giving you credit for much. Maybe he thinks he can push you off of a weak flush. If so, I hate his line given how much you've comitted by your river raise. Also a terrible line if he's got a baby flush.
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Wow... well... My thought, and remember I'm a microstakes player, you have to call it.
You called in, just called his 3/4 pot bet... then checked when the total club scare flush appears on the turn.. so if I am him I probably put you on high pocket pair, possible set... he has to figure you stopped due to the flush possibility, or he has you on A-rag with pairing the rag...
I say you have to call him. He has the flush... I'd even say he is sitting on the Qc
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I'm not folding this but I think his range is just straight flushes lol. I've just noticed how deep he is compared to you and you only need to call $116 here. That would make this a horrible bluff by him and he's not doing it for value with anything else.
Call/
I mean it's so gross. Call because you checked the turn and he miiiiiight just have air not believing you would check the turn w/ Ac but honestly it's a mindfuck of a hand.
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but you don't even have a pair!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by badgers
I'm not folding this but I think his range is just straight flushes lol.
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HOLY NIT BATMAN.
I think the probability that this seemingly decent player is having a lapse in judgment / letting their gf take over is greater than the probability of them having flopped a straight flush.
Decent preflop stats does not make one a perfect postflop player.
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name one hand that does this for value?
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d0zer
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I think it's more likely spew / tilt than it is value.
Tilt +  is probably enough to convince this villain that a push here is for value.
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jyms
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It's a bluff 99% of the time. You win whether he has the Str8 flush or not. Checking behind the turn was meant to elicit this exact response, why are you questioning it now?
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Originally Posted by d0zer
I think it's more likely spew / tilt than it is value.
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I agree which is why I'm calling but his range is basically straight flush/air which is fucking wierd. Cos the straight flush is so unlikely statistically it's a call.
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Originally Posted by d0zer
I think it's more likely spew / tilt than it is value.
Tilt + is probably enough to convince this villain that a push here is for value. |
+1 for Ax Q or Kx Q
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Fold, he has straight flush obv
you guys are so bad
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Originally Posted by bigred
Fold, he has straight flush obv
you guys are so bad
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Instead of focusing on the river look at the flop. Raise. And bet the turn.
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Am I the only one who wants to know what he showed?
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Originally Posted by jyms
Checking behind the turn was meant to elicit this exact response, why are you questioning it now?
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so its like a minraise and ur thinking of folding a hand that beats everything but 63cc and 68cc. awesome. just raise flop bet turn and dont fold obv
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jimmy44
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Thanks for the comments!
I was not thinking of folding and we cannot fold.
My goal with this thread was to think about it and try to put villain in hands.
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Keilah
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im curious of his actual hand
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jimmy44
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Keilah
im curious of his actual hand
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villain had 86 and played it well IMO.
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