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nogenius

09-25-2006, 03:13 PM Post subject: 200NL KK turn decision

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SB ($128.15)
BB ($42.30)
UTG ($197)
Hero ($197)
MP2 ($11.15)
CO ($200)
Button ($890.23)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

, K

. SB posts a blind of $1.
[color:#666666]1 fold[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $7[/color], [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], Button calls $7, [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], BB calls $5.

Flop: ($22) Q

, 3

, 6

[color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
BB checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets $18[/color], [color:#CC3333]Button raises to $36[/color], Hero calls $18.

Turn: ($94) 7

[color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
Hero ???

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Villian is 50/16/5.7 over a measly 12 hands.

BB is all-in on the flop (the Villian's raise covers him).

What's your move here on the turn?

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zook

09-25-2006, 04:34 PM

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I bet $60 here and fold to a raise. The flop minraise could be with TP or even a flush draw. You need to find out if he's serious here.

hachkc

09-25-2006, 05:22 PM Post subject: Re: 200NL KK turn decision

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nogenius

Villian is 50/16/5.7 over a measly 12 hands.

BB is all-in on the flop (the Villian's raise covers him).

What's your move here on the turn?

Is BB in the pot after the flop or not? If he his, the pot size is not $94 on the turn and HH doesn't really say. Personally, I would have reraised the flop to at least $60 or so which says "I've got a hand I'm willing to play, how about you?" He could have AA hoping to trap but wasn't expecting the BB to call PF. If its AA, I'd expect a larger reraise while a set would probably raise bigger because of the flush draw or get greedy and smooth call with 2 players to act.

As for the turn, its tricky now because the villian has taken control here now. You have 2 choices, check or bet and I lean towards a bet of $45. If he's on a flush draw this doesn't give him the correct odds to call. If raises, you can still get away with most of your stack intact. Any larger raise gets you close to being pot committed if he calls. If you check and he checks, pot it or therabouts if the river blanks. If you check and he bets, maybe just a smooth call depending on the bet or fold.

martindcx1e

09-25-2006, 06:17 PM Post subject: Re: 200NL KK turn decision

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hachkc

Personally, I would have reraised the flop...

It would be nice to know how exactly he got his stack since 12 hands is pretty tiny. He's probably very aggressive though I'd imagine since passives have a tough time building huge stacks usually. I've really been going back and forth lately between 3-betting the flop and calling/firing the turn in these spots. My usual line used to be calling and betting like 1/2 pot on the turn, but I'm going to start messing around with 3-betting more often I think...anyone think 3-betting here is horrible?

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09-26-2006, 03:06 AM Post subject: Re: 200NL KK turn decision

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by hachkc

Personally, I would have reraised the flop...

It would be nice to know how exactly he got his stack since 12 hands is pretty tiny.

The hero may have only have seen 12 hands but the villian could have been at the table much longer.

Quote:

He's probably very aggressive though I'd imagine since passives have a tough time building huge stacks usually. I've really been going back and forth lately between 3-betting the flop and calling/firing the turn in these spots. My usual line used to be calling and betting like 1/2 pot on the turn, but I'm going to start messing around with 3-betting more often I think...anyone think 3-betting here is horrible?

My thought process here is I can 3 bet the flop easier then leading out on the turn especially if a scare card (heart) comes out. My thought process is as follows:
1. He may be testing your cbet as he has a pair and maybe top pair. If this is true, I'd expect a likely fold here.
2. He's on a flush draw and his hoping to freeze you and see 2 cards. Depending on the player he calls or fold here.
3. He has a set and will probably push at your reraise. If he does, I'm gone

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