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Old 03-25-2008, 10:48 AM     Post subject: 200NL: KK with 2 small stacks on difficult river #1 (permalink)  
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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
9 players
Seat 1: MP1 ($284.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero [ KC,KS ] ($227.00 in chips)
Seat 3: CO+1 ($200.00 in chips)
Seat 5: CO ($324.20 in chips)
Seat 6: BU ($46.55 in chips)
Seat 7: SB ($336.90 in chips)
Seat 8: BB ($424.75 in chips)
Seat 9: UTG ($279.20 in chips)
Seat 10: UTG+1 ($84.60 in chips)

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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with K K
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, BU calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 8 9 J ($37, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $25, BU raises to $34.55, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: T ($140.65, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 4 ($140.65, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets $25, Hero ???

No reads on both villains, they joined the table a couple of mins ago. With stack sizes, this river is a crying/vomiting/hitting the keyboard call, right? Or this is a f**%*%*% fold? it's true, I don't beat a lot (a part from KJ/AJ/AT/KT), plus there are 2 opps ...

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Old 03-25-2008, 11:23 AM #2 (permalink)  
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3bet more to $16-$18. We cant fold river
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:49 PM #3 (permalink)  
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jimmy44, you should probably make some adjustment to your 3 bet sizing when i play 200NL online, i like this: 5x vs 2BB, 4x vs 3BB, 3x+1BB vs 4BB and 3x vs 5BB.
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 After you guys' post I just realized that indeed I have problem 3betting in 200NL!
I didn't yet properly adapted to the betting size.
I have to work on this!

I also thought we could not fold river. UTG+1 showed TT and BU 99
Just been loosing some pots to short stacks this way and started wondering if I played badly somewhere.
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umm shove flop when it gets back to you is standard no? why get fancy and just call? UTG+1 is committed already.
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umm shove flop when it gets back to you is standard no? why get fancy and just call? UTG+1 is committed already.
I would have likeled to, but when a shorty re-raises all-in the pot is capped ...
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umm shove flop when it gets back to you is standard no? why get fancy and just call? UTG+1 is committed already.
I would have likeled to, but when a shorty re-raises all-in the pot is capped ...
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 Fifteen preflop, overbet shove the flop if they still both call.
 
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