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jimmy44
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09-25-2008, 02:37 PM
Post subject: 200NL: JJ in BB vs SB
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Preflop: Hero is BB with J , J
7 folds, SB calls $1, Hero raises $6, SB calls $6
Flop: ($16) 4 , 5, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11, SB raises $93.10 (All-In), Hero ???
villain was 18/4/2 over 100 hands.
Should we be happy to stack off half of our stack here hoping that villain is enough on a FD/SD?
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Looks like call according to my calculations. If he never has 88 here or A9o then its a fold though so that might swing things toward the breakeven side on any play.
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its a no-brainer call IMO. I'm not even scared to play my stack preflop.
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villain has 45 imo
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Guys, look at villain's stats ...
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Originally Posted by jimmy44
Guys, look at villain's stats ...
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Yeah seriously, this homey never has 54. I'm not folding though.
Board: 4c 5h 9h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.126% 50.13% 00.00% 9925 0.00 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 49.874% 49.87% 00.00% 9875 0.00 { TT-99, 55-44, AhTh, A9s, KhQh }
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one of the first things that turned my game from a losing one to a winning one was realizing that an overpair is most often the nuts vs a half stack
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
one of the first things that turned my game from a losing one to a winning one was realizing that bottom pair is most often the nuts vs a half stack
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by jimmy44
Guys, look at villain's stats ...
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Yeah seriously, this homey never has 54. I'm not folding though.
Board: 4c 5h 9h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.126% 50.13% 00.00% 9925 0.00 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 49.874% 49.87% 00.00% 9875 0.00 { TT-99, 55-44, AhTh, A9s, KhQh } |
FWIW, I think villain has JJ+ here too which is what I included in my range plus 6h7h. With those in there its still a call though, but its closer.
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why shouldnt he have 54? 18/4 or whatever suggests he either limps like mad or calls a lot of preflop bets.
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preflop stats show your opponent doesnt really know how to play 'good' or 'optimal' IMO therefore i would give him much credit here unless i know hes doing this to look like an idiot
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Originally Posted by Keilah
why shouldnt he have 54? 18/4 or whatever suggests he either limps like mad or calls a lot of preflop bets.
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18/4 is not limping a ton of hands, imo certainly not 45.
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18/4 is limping or calling 14% of hands, which is kind of a lot IMO. I stand by my opinion that low SCs are in his range.
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Originally Posted by Keilah
18/4 is limping or calling 14% of hands, which is kind of a lot IMO. I stand by my opinion that low SCs are in his range.
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If not more than that range because of the SB 'discount'
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Remember that if you call your sb every time your VPIP goes up by 10%
so if he completes ATC or a very wide range and plays reasonably nitty otherwise he can have that high VPIP
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Originally Posted by iopq
Remember that if you call your sb every time your VPIP goes up by 10%
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It isn't folded around to the sb 100% of the time, I would guess this figure is more like 3%
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by iopq
Remember that if you call your sb every time your VPIP goes up by 10%
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It isn't folded around to the sb 100% of the time, I would guess this figure is more like 3% |
I said call every time, I didn't say complete every time
but yeah, if you complete ATC and otherwise play normally then it would depend on the PFR of the table
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