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badgers
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07-15-2008, 12:26 AM
Post subject: 200nl, hand I got some stick about...
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is a reg by the looks of things. He's running at 14/12 w/ 44% attempt to steal over like 400 hands. Although we don't have any history I felt a player with those stats is going to be 3betting me pretty wide here and cbetting/giving up on this flop a lot. Also I think he'd prolly check behind w/ any ace other than AK here. Also, should I be leading this turn to stop him pot-controlling?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($257.20)
UTG ($43.85)
UTG+1 ($200)
MP1 ($249)
MP2 ($198)
Hero ($194)
CO ($191)
Button ($200)
SB ($241.80)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q , Q .
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, Button raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero calls $16.
Flop: ($51) A, 2, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $35, Hero calls $35.
Turn: ($121) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $60, Hero raises to $135,
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ATOTHEC101
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going on the info youve provided id definitely 4 bet this pre with the intention of getting it in as playing qq oop in a 3 bet pot is preety tricky.
As played id also call flop as on a dryish ace high board like this youll often get to showdown cheaply postflop as hell checkdown all pairs under the ace as well as aces worse than aq. I also wouldnt lead turn here, his hand is a bluff/ak,aq enough to simply let him bet the turn and to allow for a checkraise, i also like your checkraise bet sizing.
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Renton
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with the amount of 4-bet bluffing in my game i'm usually 4betting this pre
yeah postflop looks allright, i'd just go all in on the turn
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jimmy44
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Yup, vs this villain 4bet/call shove is better then playing this OOP
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daven
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Pre-flop 100nl this is a call, 200nl is it worth 4-betting? are the games much different? Villain's flop c-bet tells you nothing. It's rare that a player 3-bets pre then checks behind on an ace-high flop. Turn check is standard and check raise makes sense - AQ calls, AK might call, AA and it's a cooler.
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jimmy44
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Originally Posted by daven
Pre-flop 100nl this is a call, 200nl is it worth 4-betting? are the games much different? Villain's flop c-bet tells you nothing. It's rare that a player 3-bets pre then checks behind on an ace-high flop. Turn check is standard and check raise makes sense - AQ calls, AK might call, AA and it's a cooler.
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Daven, the problem is that you'll be playing the whole hand OOP and if an A or K comes up you'll be in a difficult position. Hero will have to fold a ton of turns/rivers (Except on this hand where Hero was lucky enough to have the Q  ).
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badgers
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if i'd established an image as a loose player then I'm fine w/ 4betting but this was my first session and I was playing pretty nittily at 13/10 or something so I think his stack off range will be like AA/KK/AKs which I'm not all that thrilled about.
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Originally Posted by badgers
if i'd established an image as a loose player then I'm fine w/ 4betting but this was my first session and I was playing pretty nittily at 13/10 or something so I think his stack off range will be like AA/KK/AKs which I'm not all that thrilled about.
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If you think his stack off range is only KK+,AKs (I think it's a bit wider as you are a 13/10) then it's even better to 4bet as:
- You'll win the pot very often and it will largely compensate for the times you'll get stacked by KK+ (your equity against KK+,AKs is something like 27% so you'll still win a bit more then 1 every 4 all-ins)
- You won't have to play OOP very often
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