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Old 07-24-2009, 05:56 AM     Post subject: 200nl FR... how's my line? #1 (permalink)  
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I have 2.6k hands on this a$$hole but have not played for any large pots together. He's 11.3% VPIP, 7% PFR, 3.9 Aggro factor.

This is a line I like to take when we are in a way ahead / way behind situation oop. Not too worried about much, turn sucks, but how's my line overall?

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MP3 ($208.25)
CO ($200)
Button ($171.20)
SB ($200)
BB ($332.70)
UTG ($200)
Hero (UTG+1) ($286.55)
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, A
1 fold, Hero bets $8, 1 fold, MP2 calls $8, 5 folds

Flop: ($19) Q, 3, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $14, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($47) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $24, Hero calls $24

River: ($95) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $72, Hero calls $72

Total pot: $239


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Old 07-24-2009, 01:03 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 River call seems bad when he can have BDFD's KQ and slowplayed KK and AA. His bet sizing seems to suggest he has the nuts though I haven't played with him in ages so I really can't remember reads off hand. But I don't think there are many people bad/good enough to triple barrel you off like what appears to be JJ here.

I really hate this line btw. Unless you balance this line, you'll be getting exploited way too often.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I really dislike the line.
I prefer c-betting flop cos I c-bet both AK and AA here and he's going to be calling at least one street with most of his range.

As played I bet-fold turn for $35ish.
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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For this line to be good wouldn't your oppenent need to be really spewy instead of massively nitty?
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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For this line to be good wouldn't your oppenent need to be really spewy instead of massively nitty?
Yeah this makes a lot of sense.

Makes me wonder how the hell I'm in the positive.


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Because you hand read really well and never tilt?

fwiw although I disagree with the way you planned the hand on the flop, I think the turn is great since he will barrel it 100% of the time. After the turn comes I think your line is fine, maybe you know more about this guy than me anyway.
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whenever i take a similar line and then they fire the river real big, i'm like, fux, well i induced this and they have to barrel their air to make me fold, i call. And the results are: if villain is a nit, he has a flush or better. If villain is an aggro reg, he sometimes has the nuts and he sometimes has random air.

I'd almost never expect this to be AK.

Basically i agree that it's a bad plan vs this guy, the turn is good, and the river sucks but i think you should fold given reads/betsizing.
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I'd almost never expect this to be AK.
I realize I'm not contributing, but lol, nitring
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Old 07-25-2009, 01:26 PM #9 (permalink)  
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wierd fucking hand i can only put him on ak
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wierd fucking hand i can only put him on ak
which is exactly why this is a call imo.
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why can't he have QQ, KQ
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He folds KQ pre and there's only one combo of QQ so it's a fairly insignificant part of his range. I guess he can maybe have AA/KK some of the time also.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:25 AM #13 (permalink)  
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He folds KQ pre and there's only one combo of QQ so it's a fairly insignificant part of his range. I guess he can maybe have AA/KK some of the time also.
What badgers said. One combo plus playing QQ this way after hero checks the flop is highly unlikely
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calling your opponent an a$$hole isn't going to help you think about the hand objectively.
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Old 07-26-2009, 08:03 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Meh, this is so read driven. If you play with him a lot, doing this sometimes is good.
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