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Old 07-23-2009, 03:56 AM     Post subject: 200NL FR Gametime with Drew #1 (permalink)  
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 This is going to be a fun little experiment. Tomorrow I will post the turn action, and Friday I will post the river. I want you to put both Hero and Villain on a range with each street.

After 3.7k hands, Villain is running at 21.5% VPIP, 15.5% PFR, and 3.5% 3bet.

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Hero (UTG+1) ($251.90)
MP1 ($203.15)
MP2 ($200)
CO ($322.80)
Button ($117.80)
SB ($87.60)
BB ($200)
UTG ($205)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with XX
1 fold, Hero bets $8, 2 folds, CO calls $8, 3 folds

Flop: ($19) 10, 6, K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero raises $40, CO calls $24


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Old 07-23-2009, 03:59 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 And don't say hero has XX


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Old 07-23-2009, 04:42 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i'm gonna go with broadway dd hands, TT+ AK, KQ for hero, discounting JJ-QQ a little bit. could also have some stone bluffs like 88 but seems kinda dumb given villain can continue with a ton of stuff.


I'd say villain has mostly 1pair hands Tx or better and some weaker draws, since i assume he'd 3bet with sets or 8d7d or similar.
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Old 07-23-2009, 06:24 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hero's line looks like bullshit to me. Fail that he's taking advantage of CO's floating tendencies to build a bigger pot with initiative. I think we can rule out the hands he's going to try to pot control with and tend to put his range at strong K+ hands and strong draws. You can further narrow it down by the range of hands he'd open with UTG.

Made hands: AA/KK/AK/TT
Draws AdJ+d/QJs
Some % bullshit including turning QQ/JJ into a bluff (on a really bad board to do it on.)

CO must have a hand to call here and is almost never bluffing without some sick history.
How wide is he flatting here pre-flop?
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Old 07-23-2009, 06:48 AM #5 (permalink)  
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How wide is he flatting here pre-flop?
Where do I find this in HEM?


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Old 07-23-2009, 06:53 AM #6 (permalink)  
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How wide is he flatting here pre-flop?
Where do I find this in HEM?
Cold call %.

Probably just need to make a guess based on how the game plays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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i'm not 100% but i thiiiink KQs is in there, maybe discount it some % preflop
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:05 AM #8 (permalink)  
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If CO plays well, he's flatting because he's got the draws and bluffs crushed with not as much value against a sane all-in range.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:19 AM #9 (permalink)  
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no i meant kq is in drew's range, just not sure if he raises it pre or not, or how often
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:44 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Wow I am really struggling to put hero on a range. C/r as the pfr is something you very seldom see at FR. I guess akdd, aqdd, ajdd are all possible, jqdd is unlikely. I think for value all sets are possible and maybe aa/ak without the fd getting fps.

As for villain, once he calls the raise he can have a load of weak draws and also AT/KJ+/JJ/QQ for made hands
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:57 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Wow I am really struggling to put hero on a range. C/r as the pfr is something you very seldom see at FR.
Basically this, it's a play designed to induce a float from CO, then get him off of his air.
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Old 07-23-2009, 03:50 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 basically you should do this with sets, huge draws, and air (AQ and AJ air not 77 air). With AA and AK this is pretty dumb
 
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Air is air. Sometimes you just need to send a little message to guys who flat you that they can't bet with impunity when you check the flop to them...

That said, if you have a tight UTG range, he really shouldn't be looking to float you light...
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Old 07-24-2009, 05:46 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG+1) ($251.90)
MP1 ($203.15)
MP2 ($200)
CO ($322.80)
Button ($117.80)
SB ($87.60)
BB ($200)
UTG ($205)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with XX
Hero bets $8, 2 folds, CO calls $8, 3 folds

Flop: ($19) 10, 6, K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero raises $40, CO calls $24

Turn: ($99) K (2 players)
Hero bets $60, CO calls $60


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Old 07-24-2009, 03:28 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 well his range now still has a lot of combo draws but mostly hands that will call the river
 
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:38 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 Final verdict ?!?!!?

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Hero (UTG+1) ($251.90)
MP1 ($203.15)
MP2 ($200)
CO ($322.80)
Button ($117.80)
SB ($87.60)
BB ($200)
UTG ($205)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with XX

1 fold, Hero bets $8, 2 folds, CO calls $8, 3 folds

Flop: ($19) 10, 6, K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero raises $40, CO calls $24

Turn: ($99) K (2 players)
Hero bets $60, CO calls $60

River: ($219) A (2 players)
Hero bets $143.90 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $219


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Old 07-25-2009, 11:01 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 Well I'm guessing he had a really oddly played KQ
 
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:03 PM #18 (permalink)  
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 snap fold btw


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Old 07-26-2009, 01:02 AM #19 (permalink)  
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JJ/QQ is also possible I guess. It's weird since this is actually a bad card for hero's range (if you're not raising SCs UTG+1 which I assume to be true of most regs). I guess it's quite tough for hero to have air here now though (like dean said I think c/ring AJ/AQ is far preferable to c/r an underpair). Odd spot...
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Old 07-26-2009, 05:12 AM #20 (permalink)  
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 Badger, badger, badger, badger, bardger, badger, badger, badger, badger, snake oh snake oh it's a snake. It's a badger, badger, badger, badger........

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Old 07-26-2009, 05:25 AM #21 (permalink)  
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 hero had jj

i snap shoved for no reason other than tilt fwiw

i think KQ and QQ could be in derr


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