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nogenius
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08-18-2006, 12:55 AM
Post subject: 200NL Flopped straight meets AI on river
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP1 ($171.20)
MP2 ($62)
MP3 ($1153.10)
CO ($295.55)
Button ($184)
SB ($444.20)
Hero ($214.45)
UTG ($207.75)
UTG+1 ($191.55)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 , 6 .
UTG calls $2, 4 folds, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($8) 5 , 3, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7, CO folds, SB folds.
Turn: ($22) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, UTG calls $20.
River: ($62) J (2 players)
Hero bets $50, UTG raises to $178.75, Hero ???
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I hadn't seen much of Villian, we had only played together around 2 orbits, he hadn't done anything out of the ordinary and seemed to be tight.
Do you make the river call?
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freechus9
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Well, the only hand that beats you is a flush, and runner runner doesn't seem likely. I call here and pay off a flush.
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My sig is too much for you to handle.
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naturaltan
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Interesting ... would Ax suited play this way?
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by naturaltan
Interesting ... would Ax suited play this way?
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As in flopped wheel, runner runner flush?
Wow id pay that off i think.
I dont see how you can lay this down.
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bair
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the only reason i call this is because you have the 4 of spades, but im guessing you see As6s here a lot. and everytime ive ever been in a pot where a runner runner flush draw hit and i called a push they had it.
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Renton
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this is a really tough fold, but its a fold I think that I make.
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Rondavu
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Fold. Villain shows A6 spades.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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naturaltan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by naturaltan
Interesting ... would Ax suited play this way?
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As in flopped wheel, runner runner flush?
Wow id pay that off i think.
I dont see how you can lay this down. |
maybe A 5 suited. Don't know ... this is a tough one.
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tommyd7878
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Fold. Villain shows A6 spades.
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pantherhound
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IowaSkinsFan
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JJ maybe?
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zook
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I can't fold here. You're getting almost 2.5:1 and there's a chance he's bluffing, has a poorly played set or worse straight.
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holdin2
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If you read him as tight I can't hink of many likely flush holdings that would continue on from that flop & bet.
For a flush I would think its someone who thinks you are Cbetting and is holding something like A5s, A6s and decides to call with TP and/or the gutshot and then when the turn hits thinks "gee i have combo draw now, lets go".
How many of you would float that flop with the pot size bet holding A5/A6 suited? Especially if you're tight.
I'd have to call this river. But then again I've had similar luck as Bair.
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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I really don't think I can find a fold here... ugh, tough spot. Love to know the results.
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Margin Of Error
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Fold. Villain shows A6 spades.
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You gonna call a $20 turn bet on a draw like that?
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Fold. Villain shows A6 spades.
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You gonna call a $20 turn bet on a draw like that? |
Villian might. Doesn't matter is Rond would or not.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Fold. Villain shows A6 spades.
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You gonna call a $20 turn bet on a draw like that? |
um ya
all fish call all bets with all draws when any cards are to come
This is the fundamental theorem of fish.
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nogenius
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Results:
I thought about it for forever, ran out my time bank, and then painfully folded. 
I then went on to play about 200 more hands with him, and I feel that he had me beat there because he ended up having an extremely low aggression frequency, and the AI raise had been almost instant.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Fold. Villain shows A6 spades.
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You gonna call a $20 turn bet on a draw like that? |
yes.
look at the stack sizes and implied odds. Its actually brilliantly played on the river because we made our hand obvious on the turn and cant find a way to fold the river really... Its even better if opp knows how to bluff too.
Im happy to pay this off at 200nl i think, certainly at 100nl, id think harder if this were 400nl+
the more i look at this the more it doesnt look like Axs from UTG by a guy who is a relative post-flop passive.
btw, nogenius did you post this on 2+2? Ive seen a couple of your posts on there (or at least i think its you  ) if you did, did you get any answers?
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Ash256
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Really badly played 77?
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