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Old 08-11-2007, 06:43 AM     Post subject: 200nl big hand big bets then scary river #1 (permalink)  
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Assuming no reads, what do we want to do on this river.

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BB ($151.05)
UTG ($200.85)
UTG+1 ($119)
MP1 ($203.35)
Hero ($220.20)
CO ($200)
Button ($283.05)
SB ($103.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , . CO posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, Button calls $10, SB calls $9, 1 fold.

Flop: ($34) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30, Button calls $30, SB folds.

Turn: ($94) (2 players)
Hero bets $66, Button calls $66.

River: ($226) (2 players)
Hero???
 
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I would bet the turn for $78. Villain is still calling with A-10/A-J, and isn't changing his decision with A-Q/A-K whether the turn bet is $64 or closer to $80.

As played i would check the river. Two pair and TPTK aren't putting more money in on the river, and i can't see any hand villain has played this way that bets the river that you beat except another K-Q. Based on percentages i think villain has a flush more than 75% of the time when he bets, and K-Q less than 25% so its close but i would fold.

edit: sometimes he will mistakenly VB a set on the river so now that i think about it we shouldn't fold.
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Old 08-11-2007, 12:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 i might pot the turn making the river irrelevant as you would have to call.
If opp pushed you'd be calling $70~ into a $330 pot which is nearly 5:1
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:40 PM #5 (permalink)  
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bet turn more...he makes bigger mistake with his flush and ur line still seem like u have AK for about 80

on river dont shove, he only fold worse that ur hands and only calls with flush.

check/call and induce him to bluff his 2p/set (doubt set here tho)... edit: << bs he wont bet that edit2: <<< well maybe he will cos he thinks u wont check him flush... &#^(&$*@#*$&*@#

i think from long-term check-fold will bring u most money...
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Old 08-11-2007, 03:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I'd check/call any river bet. If he goes insta-allin on the river then you most likely have him beat. Any other reasonable bet would be worth calling but I'd be more suspicious of the flush. I wouldn't give him a chance to rr me allin by betting out on the river--that puts you in a tough spot because a flush would bet it that way.
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Old 08-11-2007, 08:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, I pretty much knew I shoulda bet more on turn after I didn't. My excuse is that I've been playing 100nl for the last few days so my money size perceptions were a little off.

As played, I don't know if I like check/fold. I don't like being bluffed off hands from one street bets, and I've seen that more often than I expected to. I thought the responses would be that I should push. I think if I potted the turn I should push the river. Check/call seems reasonable, as played.

He was a well disguised calling station with A9 and checked behind me. All in all, I think my mistake was not betting more on the turn.
 
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 Here's another one I just played. Turn is a little better (maybe shoulda put more in, though), but, assuming villian is unknown and has no clue how I typically size my river bets, what is optimal sizing here?

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MP3 ($75.15)
CO ($152.20)
Button ($197)
SB ($251.10)
BB ($252.35)
UTG ($203)
Hero ($196)
MP1 ($143.45)
MP2 ($206.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, Button calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $16, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($51) (2 players)
Hero bets $44, Button calls $44.

River: ($139) (2 players)
Hero has $128 left and bets how much?
 
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:05 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 I did shove. Just wondering what others think of half pot.
 
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i now have feeling u should check and he will push... OMG yea check! or check or half pot as u suggest...anything to inducebluff from 2p missed flush...bet $30 if u are unknown to him too and he will lie minraise u with anyhand.... easy as pie.... ok maybe u should ignore this post but i think u should get tricky and induce something here.... ok flame me for not betting river with nuts lol
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check or shove but nothing between
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check or shove but nothing between
wtf value bet half pot and watch him snizzapcall KQ ship it.
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check or shove but nothing between
wtf value bet half pot and watch him snizzapcall KQ ship it.
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Old 08-12-2007, 05:47 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Here's another one I just played. Turn is a little better (maybe shoulda put more in, though), but, assuming villian is unknown and has no clue how I typically size my river bets, what is optimal sizing here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP3 ($75.15)
CO ($152.20)
Button ($197)
SB ($251.10)
BB ($252.35)
UTG ($203)
Hero ($196)
MP1 ($143.45)
MP2 ($206.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, Button calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $16, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($51) (2 players)
Hero bets $44, Button calls $44.

River: ($139) (2 players)
Hero has $128 left and bets how much?

you can prob bet 60-70 and get called but i loooooooove a shove if you know hes calling you lots.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:54 PM #16 (permalink)  
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There is no reason not to bet the river in the first hand unless you intend to check/fold (which I don't think you should).
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