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mcatdog
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05-18-2008, 02:26 AM
Post subject: 200NL 3-way: What's the worst pair you shove?
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PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($210.25)
MP1 ($239.95)
MP2 ($153.30)
CO ($187.90)
Button ($242.10)
SB ($195)
BB ($155.60)
UTG ($212.45)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A PAIR! CO posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $10, CO (poster) calls $8, 3 folds.
Flop: ($34) 2 , 6 , 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $22, , MP2 calls $22, CO raises to $100, Hero?
Reads: MP2 is dikkekop, a bad regular with stats 16/8. He cold-calls too much pre-flop and calls down too light on the early streets vs. people who really shouldn't be bluffing. For example, I expect he'd call this c-bet with 55 even though I know he likely has a pocket pair and I wouldn't be c-betting this flop in the first place without at least an overpair. Just about any pair is still in his range, including sets. Stuff like 76s might be in there too if it's in his preflop range. I don't know how strong of a hand he'd need to call a shove from both of us.
CO is a big fish, 37/0. I think the bulk of his range is stuff like Q6o and I would happily felt 77 vs him.
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wufwugy
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given your descriptions of villains, 77+
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
given your descriptions of villains, 77+
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This is what I was thinking. The reg villain could maybe possibly fold 76s, 65s, 45s(maybe) 33, 55, 88-TT to your shove, at least you have some FE there, and you can get it in with the idiot. Interestingly, I would have a hard time calling this with a hand like 99 because I would know you aren't bluffing due to the idiot being in the pot. Your shove looks stronger than it actually is.
So anyway, I think you can shove 77 here.
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jimmy44
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I think I'll only do it with TT+. Even if CO is fish I don't think he does it with Q6o often enough.
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mcatdog
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Thanks guys. I figured at the time that pushing any overpair 77+ was good but I just wanted to make sure. It was a weird situation where betting the flop with 77 would probably be bad because I'm behind MP2's range, but once there's a call and a raise, shoving 77 is good as a bluff vs. MP2 and for value vs. CO.
Anyway I shoved 99, MP2 folded and I held up vs. A4o
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