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jimmy44
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06-26-2008, 12:32 PM
Post subject: 200NL: 2pairs button against MP TAG
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10 players
Seat 1: CO ($170.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero [ 4H,3H ] ($197.00 in chips)
Seat 3: SB ($146.80 in chips)
Seat 4: BB ($203.50 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG ($194.65 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG+1 ($99.05 in chips)
Seat 7: MP1 ($206.05 in chips)
Seat 8: MP2 ($195.00 in chips)
Seat 9: MP3 ($431.50 in chips)
Seat 10: CO+1 ($301.70 in chips)
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with 4  3
3 folds, MP1 raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.
Flop: 4  K 3 ($15, 2 players)
MP1 bets $11, Hero raises to $29, MP1 raises to $61, Hero thinking whether to call, CiB or push
villain running like 17/11/1.7. At this point I didn't knew much about him a part from these stats.
We have near the nuts on the flop. I thought of the following options:
- call (good if he 2 barrils air or TP/2nd pair hands, but bad if he is on a FD)
- CiB (he might push over with TP hands, but bad if he is on a FD)
- push (puts the pressure on him, but he will fold TP hands most often)
Dunno ... what would you do?
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i definitely wouldnt call as to many turn cards kill our action as well as scare us. Id just time it right down like i have a super tough decision with kq or a flush draw and shove it in.
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badgers
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turbo-shove, get called by a flush draw, win.
he's pretty unlikely to be 3bet/folding this flop...
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He's not folding.
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All-in. Even if he folds AA/AK I'm pretty happy with the hand.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
All-in. Even if he folds AA/AK I'm pretty happy with the hand.
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My thougths during the hand exactly 
Now, I was wondering if another line would be better.
I pushed and villain folded. I guess he either had AK/KQ (and maybe QQ/JJ) or a FD.
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villain was prbs a retard with air nothign else makes sense
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Originally Posted by badgers
villain was prbs a retard with air nothign else makes sense
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He could be making a big laydown here.
Food for thought: If he calls with AK or AA here, we make $23 worth of EV.
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Originally Posted by badgers
villain was prbs a retard with air nothign else makes sense
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He could be making a big laydown here. |
While we have a lot of draws on our range 3bet/folding makes absolutely no sense in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by badgers
While we have a lot of draws on our range 3bet/folding makes absolutely no sense in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by badgers
villain was prbs a retard with air nothign else makes sense
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He could be making a big laydown here. |
While we have a lot of draws on our range 3bet/folding makes absolutely no sense in my opinion. |
I've seen these villain's 3bet / fold with TP hands.
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3betting AK then folding to a shove wouldn't be a bad play here, given our range for shoving this is two pair, sets, AA, and the combo draw, with a random AK thrown in. All of which we are behind with TPTK and really poor equity vs a combo draw. Given the combinations, its likely we have two pair/set over combo draw and folding AK is probably the standard thing to do here unless we're playing a retard.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
3betting AK then folding to a shove wouldn't be a bad play here, given our range for shoving this is two pair, sets, AA, and the combo draw, with a random AK thrown in. All of which we are behind with TPTK and really poor equity vs a combo draw. Given the combinations, its likely we have two pair/set over combo draw and folding AK is probably the standard thing to do here unless we're playing a retard.
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lol? 3bet folding is a terrible play, if we have that little equity why are why 3betting??? If we can be shoving draws then 3bet/folding is just the worst play ever how can you not see that?
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