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pgil

04-08-2008, 02:36 PM Post subject: 2 river bluffs on very scary boards.

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does my line make sense here? Am I successfully representing a hand that beats opp? This is kind of a double check.

I've got opp at about 16/11. He seems to be a standard 200NL player (in my very limited experience that is). He is not really getting too out of line postflop. I haven't really done much of anything. Not really involved in any big pots either way. about 18/something as far as stats. Table just recently got short handed. Am trying to rep AsKx, or Asxs.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($201.80)
SB ($119)
BB ($252.70)
UTG ($324.80)
MP ($84.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, A

.
UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 2 folds.

Flop: ($15) 2

, T

, K

(2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero raises to $18, UTG calls $12.

Turn: ($51) 4

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $25, UTG calls $25.

River: ($101) T

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $55

hand 2. opp is very nittish. I have been pretty active on this table. att to steal is a laughable >70% (small samples, yay). I am running in the 22/15 range here. I am assuming opp has a lot of spades, some 8's and T's. and some medium PP's. I don't think he likes seeing the J on the river. I am definitely semibluffing most if not all draws against this opp.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($40)
Button ($197)
Hero ($440.50)
BB ($289)
UTG ($43.75)
MP1 ($147.10)
MP2 ($165.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

.
5 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($12)

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: ($12)

(2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB calls $8.

River: ($28)

(2 players)
Hero bets $18

also, any comments on river bet sizing here?

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04-08-2008, 04:06 PM

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Hand 1: I could see JJ/QQ/AA (with 1 spade), a set (22/TT/KK), AK (with A of spades) or Axss/JTss/T9ss as villain's hand.
I think that if you want him to fold Qs or Js you need to bet around $70, you'll be representing a big flush wanting to recover lost value.
However, with the hands I mentioned I don't think there are enough hands that would fold, out of the possible hands ... so I check behind.

Hand 2: I prefer betting $20 on the river

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04-08-2008, 04:25 PM

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The question I have for hand 1 is what hands do you think he could have here that would fold? Most of the hands that fit here have high spades in them and I just don't see villian folding any of them with your smallish bet.

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04-08-2008, 04:38 PM

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I definitely don't like the 1/2 pot bet sizing in 1, turn or river.

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04-08-2008, 04:59 PM

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I am putting him on med PP's and some Kx hands. probably KJ/KQ are most likely.

I don't think he ever folds a high spade here, but I am not certain he has one that often either. basically I was trying to fold out all non-flush hands.

Warpe, IF we are going to try this, what bet sizing should I be looking for here? are we thinking 3/4 or so for both turn and river? maybe slightly more on turn, 2/3 on river?

The only problem with the bigger turn bet is if the river isn't a spade, I don't think he folds much.

Hmmm, perhaps that means that this was a bad place to attempt to steal. damn small flop bets always suck me in.

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04-08-2008, 05:49 PM

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I'd bet 3/4-ish on the turn to rep the completed draw/protect against a high spade. 1/2 pots on the turn always look weak to me and usually are.

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04-08-2008, 06:04 PM

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cool, thanks. river about 2/3 or so? If the river isn't a spade, do you think there is much value in continuing to rep the flush?

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04-08-2008, 06:29 PM

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I'd bet whatever we bet for big value with the nuts, up to and including a shove. We're bluffing so we can't go weak-kneed on the last street.

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04-08-2008, 06:59 PM

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1) standard
2) bad line. spells spew. You're better off leading the flop strong and shutting down. Instead you showed weakness oop and decided to lead following streets... spew

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04-08-2008, 07:30 PM

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2) bad line. spells spew. You're better off leading the flop strong and shutting down. Instead you showed weakness oop and decided to lead following streets... spew

really? I've been using the delayed cbet to some success lately. maybe more useful in position?

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04-08-2008, 08:02 PM

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2) bad line. spells spew. You're better off leading the flop strong and shutting down. Instead you showed weakness oop and decided to lead following streets... spew

really? I've been using the delayed cbet to some success lately. maybe more useful in position?

yeah, position is half of it. the other half is the check on the flop

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